Packers, Favre likely to split

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is.

That isn't some kind of genius, Fritz...

We all know Colledge is the guy to fault...even if he was on the bench during the play.

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think you are being a bit naive if you don't see that.

It wasn't like he held a news conference or anything.

Seriously, Patler. What did he do to attract attention? He got off a plane, waved a couple times, and left.

If that was his ploy to take all the attention away from "Family Night", then he failed. He could've hung out of his box and waved to the crowd DURING the event if he really wanted to be a nuisance. However, he wasn't anywhere to be seen...although Deanna was.

Simply coming into GB that night was a distraction, further galvanized fan opinion and emphasized the controversy. The simple act of flying to GB is nothing...unless you are Brett Favre, are embroiled in a national controversy with the Packers, have been threatening to fly up to GB for a couple weeks, and choose to do it when the spotlight should have been on the team.

He could have waited until the next morning. He came that night for a reason. He did not have to have a press conference. By coming when he did he emphasized the disagreement and put a big bright circle around himself not being on the field when the team was.

It wasn't a coincidence that he arrived during that brief time window, in my opinion.

[cpk1994]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think Favre still wants to play for Green Bay...and was hoping the team would eventually come around. I have no idea how someone can characterize Favre has "not really meaning it" when they have no real clue what has been said in private discussions.

Favre probably doesn't really want to go play for Tampa or the Jets. I don't think he really wants to go play for the Vikings either, despite what some of the yahoos here seem to think.

He wants to play football. He would like to play in Green Bay. Green Bay doesn't want him. After 16 seasons, he's having a difficult time reconciling that. I would too.

I also think you are overestimating the impact this has had on the team. It probably has weighed on Rodgers...but he's going to have alot weighing on him this season regardless. The rest of the team? It's out of their control...and they have more important things to worry about, like getting themselves ready for the season.

I think it is much more of a distraction for the fans than it is the players.

I didn't say it has affected the team. In fact, I agree that to now this probably has affected the fans more than the players; however, eventually that will change. The constant distractions, mixed feelings about Favre, MM, TT, etc. will impact the team. It has to if this goes on and on.

My point was this: he says he doesn't want to affect the team, but his actions (or inactions) show that he really doesn't care what the impact is on the team. That does not rely on what he has said in private converstation. It is based on his reported actions or inactions. If reports are true (and it is all we have to form our opinions on) Favre has been totally uncooperative in the Packers attempts to trade him. Again, I'm not saying he has to ACCEPT whatever the Packers line up, but to refuse to talk to the few interested teams, and to refuse to provide alternatives is totally uncooperative. That simply prolongs the whole thing, and the longer it goes on, the more likely of an adverse effect on the team.

Finally, if we are allowed to express opinions on here only if we have access to all the inside info, then we can discuss nothing. We certainly can not discuss the players' performances, game situations and the like because not only do we not have access to the players, we have no information about the playbook, players assignments, etc. We might as well shut the board down.

This may be true of most posters, Patler, but I happen to have an amazing ability to discern the truth instantly, with very little if any inside information. For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is. I don't even need to see the replay! Additionally, as a keen student of human nature (and psychic), I know who's right and wrong in the whole Brett Favre retirement fiasco.

You're wrong Patler. Fritz knows all!

Is that so, Carnac?

[The Leaper]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The simple act of flying to GB is nothing.

You should have just stuck with that.

[cpk1994]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The simple act of flying to GB is nothing.

You should have just stuck with that.

The truth hurts, doesn't it.

[boiga]

There are two competing misconception out there that I think need to be looked closely at.

One is Favre's trade veto leverage. People keep reporting he has lost it, but as a practical matter he has not. He simply can refuse to report or to redo the contract. At that point, depending on the terms of the trade, his rights could belong to either team and he may be subject to fines. He can avoid that by reretiring. He has very little, if any remaining signing bonus that could be recovered, so a team would have little leverage to get him to show up.

The difference is that before Favre got reinstated, if he refused to report, his rights would automatically return to the Packers and the trade partner would have everything completely refunded. Brett could therefore hold out until he gets the trade that he wanted without worrying about being dumped onto the Dolphins.

Now even if he refuses to report, he still stays with his new team, and if he wants to play again it'll have to be for them or no one. That gives the Packers an out if they just want to get Brett out of their hair. Favre's veto power now has more to do with PR in that he could embarrass the Packers for treating him so badly or the new team for sucking so much he doesn't want to play for them.

Still, before he had an actual veto. Now it's only a PR veto, so his position has weakened.

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

This may be true of most posters, Patler, but I happen to have an amazing ability to discern the truth instantly, with very little if any inside information. For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is. I don't even need to see the replay! Additionally, as a keen student of human nature (and psychic), I know who's right and wrong in the whole Brett Favre retirement fiasco.

You're wrong Patler. Fritz knows all!

Sorry, Fritz. I assumed you knew that I excluded you from my blanket statement. After all..........!

[Fritz]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think Favre still wants to play for Green Bay...and was hoping the team would eventually come around. I have no idea how someone can characterize Favre has "not really meaning it" when they have no real clue what has been said in private discussions.

Favre probably doesn't really want to go play for Tampa or the Jets. I don't think he really wants to go play for the Vikings either, despite what some of the yahoos here seem to think.

He wants to play football. He would like to play in Green Bay. Green Bay doesn't want him. After 16 seasons, he's having a difficult time reconciling that. I would too.

I also think you are overestimating the impact this has had on the team. It probably has weighed on Rodgers...but he's going to have alot weighing on him this season regardless. The rest of the team? It's out of their control...and they have more important things to worry about, like getting themselves ready for the season.

I think it is much more of a distraction for the fans than it is the players.

I didn't say it has affected the team. In fact, I agree that to now this probably has affected the fans more than the players; however, eventually that will change. The constant distractions, mixed feelings about Favre, MM, TT, etc. will impact the team. It has to if this goes on and on.

My point was this: he says he doesn't want to affect the team, but his actions (or inactions) show that he really doesn't care what the impact is on the team. That does not rely on what he has said in private converstation. It is based on his reported actions or inactions. If reports are true (and it is all we have to form our opinions on) Favre has been totally uncooperative in the Packers attempts to trade him. Again, I'm not saying he has to ACCEPT whatever the Packers line up, but to refuse to talk to the few interested teams, and to refuse to provide alternatives is totally uncooperative. That simply prolongs the whole thing, and the longer it goes on, the more likely of an adverse effect on the team.

Finally, if we are allowed to express opinions on here only if we have access to all the inside info, then we can discuss nothing. We certainly can not discuss the players' performances, game situations and the like because not only do we not have access to the players, we have no information about the playbook, players assignments, etc. We might as well shut the board down.

This may be true of most posters, Patler, but I happen to have an amazing ability to discern the truth instantly, with very little if any inside information. For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is. I don't even need to see the replay! Additionally, as a keen student of human nature (and psychic), I know who's right and wrong in the whole Brett Favre retirement fiasco.

You're wrong Patler. Fritz knows all!

Is that so, Carnac?

Why yes it is. For example, Leaper was mostly correct when he said that any broken running play the last two years was Colledge's fault, even if he was on the bench. But I see already that this year, any broken running play will clearly be Brett Favre's fault, no matter whether he's playing QB for the Packers, the Vikings, or sitting on his tractor at home.

Don't worry. I will continue to share my wisdom so all can be as enlightened as Fritz.

[Patler]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

The simple act of flying to GB is nothing.

You should have just stuck with that.

You should realize that when its Favre, the Packers and the media, no act remains a simple act!

[cpk1994]

Re: Packers, Favre likely to split

I think Favre still wants to play for Green Bay...and was hoping the team would eventually come around. I have no idea how someone can characterize Favre has "not really meaning it" when they have no real clue what has been said in private discussions.

Favre probably doesn't really want to go play for Tampa or the Jets. I don't think he really wants to go play for the Vikings either, despite what some of the yahoos here seem to think.

He wants to play football. He would like to play in Green Bay. Green Bay doesn't want him. After 16 seasons, he's having a difficult time reconciling that. I would too.

I also think you are overestimating the impact this has had on the team. It probably has weighed on Rodgers...but he's going to have alot weighing on him this season regardless. The rest of the team? It's out of their control...and they have more important things to worry about, like getting themselves ready for the season.

I think it is much more of a distraction for the fans than it is the players.

I didn't say it has affected the team. In fact, I agree that to now this probably has affected the fans more than the players; however, eventually that will change. The constant distractions, mixed feelings about Favre, MM, TT, etc. will impact the team. It has to if this goes on and on.

My point was this: he says he doesn't want to affect the team, but his actions (or inactions) show that he really doesn't care what the impact is on the team. That does not rely on what he has said in private converstation. It is based on his reported actions or inactions. If reports are true (and it is all we have to form our opinions on) Favre has been totally uncooperative in the Packers attempts to trade him. Again, I'm not saying he has to ACCEPT whatever the Packers line up, but to refuse to talk to the few interested teams, and to refuse to provide alternatives is totally uncooperative. That simply prolongs the whole thing, and the longer it goes on, the more likely of an adverse effect on the team.

Finally, if we are allowed to express opinions on here only if we have access to all the inside info, then we can discuss nothing. We certainly can not discuss the players' performances, game situations and the like because not only do we not have access to the players, we have no information about the playbook, players assignments, etc. We might as well shut the board down.

This may be true of most posters, Patler, but I happen to have an amazing ability to discern the truth instantly, with very little if any inside information. For example, I can watch a broken running play for a loss of three from my living room and immediately know whose fault it is. I don't even need to see the replay! Additionally, as a keen student of human nature (and psychic), I know who's right and wrong in the whole Brett Favre retirement fiasco.

You're wrong Patler. Fritz knows all!

Is that so, Carnac?

Why yes it is. For example, Leaper was mostly correct when he said that any broken running play the last two years was Colledge's fault, even if he was on the bench. But I see already that this year, any broken running play will clearly be Brett Favre's fault, no matter whether he's playing QB for the Packers, the Vikings, or sitting on his tractor at home.

Don't worry. I will continue to share my wisdom so all can be as enlightened as Fritz.

Well then would you care to enligthen us with the Powerball numbers for Wednesday night? I need some cash.

[Fritz]

Powerball? I'm sorry, my talents are limited to Green Bay Packer football.

And I don't really even know who's going to win. I just know who to blame, instantly.

I have honed this talent over the years, by the way. It's hard work blaming others all the time. But I don't shirk.

[cpk1994]

Powerball? I'm sorry, my talents are limited to Green Bay Packer football.

And I don't really even know who's going to win. I just know who to blame, instantly.

I have honed this talent over the years, by the way. It's hard work blaming others all the time. But I don't shirk.

Damn it I was so close.

[The Leaper]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre. They had always had a plan if Favre returned. This was something they had been carefully charting and mapping for months, and they had all the bases covered.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

[cpk1994]

Is anyone wondering what is up with Packer management?

On Sunday, all we heard about was that "they had a plan" in regard to Favre.

Next thing we know, a meeting between Favre and McCarthy goes on for 5 hours...and apparently nothing really came from it.

So...what was the plan?

Aaron Rodgers is the starter, Favre the backup. Clear enough?

[The Leaper]

Aaron Rodgers is the starter, Favre the backup. Clear enough?

You weren't so clear about that yesterday.