McGinn: Football Dept Agrees, Favre Can't Win Championship

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McGinn quote, via ESPN The Football Blog:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcnorth/...-the-time.html

You need a subscription to read the full column, but we'll give you this nugget of Bob McGinn's analysis of Favre's departure on the Web site of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel: "Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship." Wow. Apparently, that opinion was based mostly on Favre's second-half performance in the NFC championship game.

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So if McGinn is right, Favre's play against good defenses, in bad weather and poor playoff perfromances were their concerns.

[KYPack]

"Just about everyone who counted in the football department reached the conclusion that Favre could never win another championship."

Huh?

So I guess they didn't consult the staples and paper clip department of the Packers Organization?

Somebody, somewhere, stop this madness. Even goofy people can't take any more of this shit.

[boiga]

While McGinn's sources aren't exactly as credible as they used to be, I'm not too surprised by this.

We always knew that the head office thought Rodgers had a greater potential to lead the team to a super bowl than did Favre, otherwise they would have kicked Rodgers back into the backup role once Brett wanted back in. The reasoning behind this decision is a little sketch, but for as many times as we have knocked on the door, our playoff record stunk over the last 10 years.

If they thought a switch up at QB is what was necessary to take that extra step, it's hard to blame them. They are risking our guaranteed "very good" to try for "great." Unfortunately, the risk is that we're simply going to fall back into "suck."

[The Leaper]

We always knew that the head office thought Rodgers had a greater potential to lead the team to a super bowl than did Favre, otherwise they would have kicked Rodgers back into the backup role once Brett wanted back in. The reasoning behind this decision is a little sketch, but for as many times as we have knocked on the door, our playoff record stunk over the last 10 years.

I don't think it has anything to do with Favre's talent. In terms of talent and ability, Favre is head and shoulders above Rodgers. In terms of the last 10 years, there were many reasons other than Favre that contributed to our playoff losses...lack of talent (STL), injuries (ATL), coaching blunders (PHI), etc. Yeah, Favre had his faults in some of those games as well...but it wasn't that he lacked the ability to win a title.

It has everything to do with his mental mindset NOW. The Packers think Favre is used up...he has nothing left to give in terms of being mentally prepared to make another run. Physically, he has the talent to do it...but mentally, he's done in the opinion of the Packers.

[packers04]

its not hard to figure out where the football dept. is coming up with this conclusion. they say championships are won during the offseason.... favre doesnt fucking believe in the off-season anymore. if your only 80% committed to something, chances are you'll come up short every single time. we need 100% commitment from our leaders. all of them.

[boiga]

The Leaper, I don't disagree and I don't personally blame Favre for those losses.

But the pattern of closely lost important play off games over the last 10 years is probably something the brass used in their decision to not bring Brett back. If they thought that he can't win it for us in December, then there is little reason to bring him back in August.

I think it's fundamentally an unfair assessment, but I can see where they are coming from.

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KY, you don't think there is reason to judge that Favre might come up short in the playoffs again? Has it always been someone else's fault?

I think he has really struggled in bad weather and in the second half of seasons. I suspect that his performance has dipped against better competition as well. As Patler suggested weeks ago, might Favre be the better regular season QB and Rodgers better in the playoffs (if Rodgers had a full year of starts behind him)?

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Who says this?

Does this mean I can look forward to the Super Bowl Champion Cleveland Browns? According to all that I have read and heard, they WON the offseason this year.

its not hard to figure out where the football dept. is coming up with this conclusion. they say championships are won during the offseason.... favre doesnt fucking believe in the off-season anymore. if your only 80% committed to something, chances are you'll come up short every single time. we need 100% commitment from our leaders. all of them.

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So you think Sherman actually called for a jump ball into double coverage while everyone was run blocking?

... coaching blunders (PHI)

[packers04]

offseason practices/workouts, not offseason acquisition. thx. lol.

[pbmax]

My apologies, I misunderstood. Please carry on.

offseason practices/workouts, not offseason acquisition. thx. lol.

[The Leaper]

As Patler suggested weeks ago, might Favre be the better regular season QB and Rodgers better in the playoffs (if Rodgers had a full year of starts behind him)?

No.

Because with Rodgers, I think we lose the Seahawks game. Favre was the reason the team was able to rebound from a 14-0 deficit...the knowledge that Favre the playmaker could bring them back, both on our side and maybe even more importantly on the SEAHAWK side. He took the ball down 14-0 and threw it almost every time in leading the team down the field to get back into the game.

Rodgers isn't capable of that yet IMO...not that he can't get there, but not at this point or at any time in 2008 IMO.

We don't have a dominant enough defense or running game to be considered a title contender with Rodgers right now. Perhaps things change during the course of this season, and we develop a true dominant running game or a defense that can provide consistent pressure on the pocket...but at this point, I don't see it.

[The Leaper]

So you think Sherman actually called for a jump ball into double coverage while everyone was run blocking?

... coaching blunders (PHI)

4th and 1...punt.
4th and 26...ugh.

Was either Favre's fault max?

The Packers had that game won long before Favre's INT...but poor decision making by the coaches and poor execution elsewhere let it get away.

That doesn't excuse Favre's throw...but that does show that it wasn't just Favre that was responsible for those losses.

[Chevelle2]

So you think Sherman actually called for a jump ball into double coverage while everyone was run blocking?

... coaching blunders (PHI)

4th and 1...punt.
4th and 26...ugh.

Was either Favre's fault max?

The Packers had that game won long before Favre's INT...but poor decision making by the coaches and poor execution elsewhere let it get away.

That doesn't excuse Favre's throw...but that does show that it wasn't just Favre that was responsible for those losses.

What about all the other games? Do you have an excuse for all of them?

Bottom line: We have tried a new player, sometimes 2, 3, new players at every single position since 1997. 3 new coaches, and 3 GMs, all to no avail. The only other position left to change, is QB.