Sad day in GB History

[cpk1994]

I couldn't be more disgusted with Packers management right now. The press conference confirmed much of what I felt. We are an embarassment and not because of Brett Favre....we are an embarassment because of the way management handled this.

Huh?

He's a Favre sycophant. You know, ones who think Brett is a saint and can do no wrong. Isn't it obvious?

Doesn't the need to label me say more about you and your lack of objectivity than me? I mean, I didn't say Favre was a saint. I said I was disgusted with management and I am....as most all fans should be at this point. Is this a matter to some of you where anyone who criticizes management is automatically discredited?

This was a pathetic display and it occurred in front of the entire Nation. I think management bungled this beyond belief all the way to McCarthy's ridiculous statements in the post-trade press conference. They couldn't have set out to screw this up more than they did. If you can't see that than maybe there is something wrong with you. Better yet...maybe you're just a Favre-hater.

When you say the Packers are an embarasment becuase of management and not Brett Favre you have to by a Favre sycophant becuase you just implied that Brett has done no wrong. Brett Favre has made the Packers an embarassment? Did you forget the Greta interview? Did you forget all the press leaks leading to hit pieces from that great source of unbiased journalism ESPN? Those of fair minded fans realize that BOTH sides are to blame. You on the other hand are so far up Brett's ass that yoiu can't see that and automatically blame management for everything. Brett Favre has made the Packers an embarassment far more than management has.

[gex]

Please sea the Hater thread page 1 in the romper room to know who is who.

[gex]

I have been a Packer fan since '59. I cannot recall a more divisive, controversial, or publicized issue involving the Packers in all those years and that includes the John Hadl trade, the sexual assault allegations against James Loften and Mossy Cade, and the major flop of #1 pick Tony Mandarich.

As Harvey stated earlier in this thread, we all need to put the Favre saga behind us. Both McCarthy and Favre have also stated everyone needs to "move forward."
Furthermore, we fans need to be patient with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback of 17 years and expect the offense to pick up at the same level they had with Favre. It may not be until mid-season until the offense begins to gel.

Always remember we are Green Bay Packer fans--the most loyal pro football fans in the nation.

I think this won't be over untill the current administation has been removed. As long as they currently run this show there will be a divide.
However, when the next GM, QB, and coach take over this great franchise, all will be united again.

[The Shadow]

I have been a Packer fan since '59. I cannot recall a more divisive, controversial, or publicized issue involving the Packers in all those years and that includes the John Hadl trade, the sexual assault allegations against James Loften and Mossy Cade, and the major flop of #1 pick Tony Mandarich.

As Harvey stated earlier in this thread, we all need to put the Favre saga behind us. Both McCarthy and Favre have also stated everyone needs to "move forward."
Furthermore, we fans need to be patient with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback of 17 years and expect the offense to pick up at the same level they had with Favre. It may not be until mid-season until the offense begins to gel.

Always remember we are Green Bay Packer fans--the most loyal pro football fans in the nation.

I think this won't be over untill the current administation has been removed. As long as they currently run this show there will be a divide.
However, when the next GM, QB, and coach take over this great franchise, all will be united again.

Terrific idea! Let's remove the administration that has turned the Packers into contenders - built to be very good for a long time - and rehire Mike Sherman, who was a truly wonderful GM, and who allowed his quarterback
to remain blissfully free of all accountability.

[gex]

I have been a Packer fan since '59. I cannot recall a more divisive, controversial, or publicized issue involving the Packers in all those years and that includes the John Hadl trade, the sexual assault allegations against James Loften and Mossy Cade, and the major flop of #1 pick Tony Mandarich.

As Harvey stated earlier in this thread, we all need to put the Favre saga behind us. Both McCarthy and Favre have also stated everyone needs to "move forward."
Furthermore, we fans need to be patient with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback of 17 years and expect the offense to pick up at the same level they had with Favre. It may not be until mid-season until the offense begins to gel.

Always remember we are Green Bay Packer fans--the most loyal pro football fans in the nation.

I think this won't be over untill the current administation has been removed. As long as they currently run this show there will be a divide.
However, when the next GM, QB, and coach take over this great franchise, all will be united again.

Terrific idea! Let's remove the administration that has turned the Packers into contenders - built to be very good for a long time - and rehire Mike Sherman, who was a truly wonderful GM, and who allowed his quarterback
to remain blissfully free of all accountability.

I didn't mean they had to go now, But there's gonna be hard fealings untill they are gone.

Or they win a superbowl.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Please sea the Hater thread page 1 in the romper room to know who is who.

gex is keeping a list.

some day when there is a series of murders in WI, all bludgeonings with a BF statuette, I wonder if anybody will be able to connect the dots.

[gex]

I have been a Packer fan since '59. I cannot recall a more divisive, controversial, or publicized issue involving the Packers in all those years and that includes the John Hadl trade, the sexual assault allegations against James Loften and Mossy Cade, and the major flop of #1 pick Tony Mandarich.

As Harvey stated earlier in this thread, we all need to put the Favre saga behind us. Both McCarthy and Favre have also stated everyone needs to "move forward."
Furthermore, we fans need to be patient with Aaron Rodgers and the Packers' offense. You cannot expect to replace a starting HOF quarterback of 17 years and expect the offense to pick up at the same level they had with Favre. It may not be until mid-season until the offense begins to gel.

Always remember we are Green Bay Packer fans--the most loyal pro football fans in the nation.

I think this won't be over untill the current administation has been removed. As long as they currently run this show there will be a divide.
However, when the next GM, QB, and coach take over this great franchise, all will be united again.

Terrific idea! Let's remove the administration that has turned the Packers into contenders - built to be very good for a long time - and rehire Mike Sherman, who was a truly wonderful GM, and who allowed his quarterback
to remain blissfully free of all accountability.

I didn't mean they had to go now, But there's gonna be hard fealings untill they are gone.

Or they win a superbowl.

[gex]

Please sea the Hater thread page 1 in the romper room to know who is who.

gex is keeping a list.

some day when there is a series of murders in WI, all bludgeonings with a BF statuette, I wonder if anybody will be able to connect the dots.

"You wouldn't like me when I'm angry"
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[Pugger]

I couldn't be more disgusted with Packers management right now. The press conference confirmed much of what I felt. We are an embarassment and not because of Brett Favre....we are an embarassment because of the way management handled this.

After the mourning is through, Packer fans (regardless who you blame) should think about what this says to other players that consider G.B.. If they're willing to hang Favre out to dry than how will they handle me?

Or, maybe I shouldn't go on Natl TV and trash the organization that has treated me like a king and given be tens of millions of dollars.

Ding ding ding!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it is amazing how many folks forget how arrogant Favre acted on Greta's show and how he trashed the team that made him a millionaire. Once I saw that I lost a h3ll of lot of love for the man. I'm with MM - let's move on!

[gureski]

If just for a moment some of you could put the whole idea of taking sides out of the equation and just look at how this was handled, it may help you see my point.

Favre going on Greta and saying what he said showed poorly on him. He took some shots at the organization but in the end, most people agreed that he looked worse than the team at that point in time. In the end, what Favre said represented Favre. Favre saying and doing what he did didn't make the Packers an embarassment, which is what I said. He embarassed himself in that process. The organization still had class. It was management's mishandling of everything along the way that made this embarassing. As a manager in real life, I am faced with all kinds of problems and situations that I need to deal with. Regardless who is at fault, the job of management is to manage. They did a poor job of that in this process and they admitted as much in what they said (and what they wouldn't say) in the post-trade press conference. For crying out loud....they hired Fleischer for a reason and it wasn't because they had everything under control. I'm not sure people realize the behind the scenese magnitude of that move. You don't go to a political professional like Fleischer unless you've really screwed things up and you need major help getting out of it.

That's my stance on it. If you still want to say I feel this way because I'm a Favre-o-crate or whatever the hell that crap is all about then do it but I tried to show you where I'm coming from.

[Gunakor]

If just for a moment some of you could put the whole idea of taking sides out of the equation and just look at how this was handled, it may help you see my point.

Favre going on Greta and saying what he said showed poorly on him. He took some shots at the organization but in the end, most people agreed that he looked worse than the team at that point in time. In the end, what Favre said represented Favre. Favre saying and doing what he did didn't make the Packers an embarassment, which is what I said. He embarassed himself in that process. The organization still had class. It was management's mishandling of everything along the way that made this embarassing. As a manager in real life, I am faced with all kinds of problems and situations that I need to deal with. Regardless who is at fault, the job of management is to manage. They did a poor job of that in this process and they admitted as much in what they said (and what they wouldn't say) in the post-trade press conference. For crying out loud....they hired Fleischer for a reason and it wasn't because they had everything under control. I'm not sure people realize the behind the scenese magnitude of that move. You don't go to a political professional like Fleischer unless you've really screwed things up and you need major help getting out of it.

That's my stance on it. If you still want to say I feel this way because I'm a Favre-o-crate or whatever the hell that crap is all about then do it but I tried to show you where I'm coming from.

This was kind of an unprecedented situation though. There was no script or playbook available to tell the Packers how this should have been handled.

The real problem here isn't that Favre was traded, it was that this circus was dragged out for over a month. While people are throwing blame around for that, the truth is there wasn't much that TT could do until Favre was reinstated.

Favre should have just sent in his papers, and this whole thing would have been handled immediately. That's why I blame Favre. Favre was reinstated on Monday. He was traded on Wednesday. Ted Thompson took a whole 2 days to work out a trade. Had Favre gotten himself reinstated at the beginning of July he'd have been traded at the beginning of July. Instead of sending in his papers he went to the media and took shots at members of the organization, and THAT is the biggest problem here. I'm not sure what more you could expect Packers management to do. They acted very quickly - and I mean VERY quickly - once Favre was reinstated. It wasn't the Packers that dragged this out.

[hoosier]

If just for a moment some of you could put the whole idea of taking sides out of the equation and just look at how this was handled, it may help you see my point.

Favre going on Greta and saying what he said showed poorly on him. He took some shots at the organization but in the end, most people agreed that he looked worse than the team at that point in time. In the end, what Favre said represented Favre. Favre saying and doing what he did didn't make the Packers an embarassment, which is what I said. He embarassed himself in that process. The organization still had class. It was management's mishandling of everything along the way that made this embarassing.

I would have an easier time looking at things from your point of view if you could provide some specifics. What exactly do feel was mishandled after the Fox interview with Greta? What realistic alternatives do you see in each instance?

My own view is that the Packers management was put in a very difficult position by Favre, who has become very high maintenance in his late career. Favre expected management to beg him to come back, and then to drop whatever plans they had in place and accept him back whenever the spirit moved him. Looking at how TT and the MMs dealt with the situation post-Greta, I think they painted themselves in a bad light by (a) appearing to waffle on the question of whether Favre would be allowed to compete for starting position and (b) appearing to offer a retirement bribe. In both cases I think the reality was something other, but that they helped create damaging appearances. But none of this would have happened, IMO, if Favre had chosen a less media-oriented approach to the situation, or if he had been willing to entertain a trade outside the NFCN from the get go. It was Favre's uncompromising arrogance, in my view, that was largely to blame for the mess that this became. I'd like to hear concretely how you see the situation differently.

[HarveyWallbangers]

My sentiments exactly, Hoosier.

[Freak Out]

I could not even bring myself to watch the interviews #4 did....I consider most television a waste of time plus I knew I would be embarrassed for him.