More wins in 2008?

[cpk1994]

The Jets brought in a hell of a good offensive lineman and DeBrickshaw should be a rock out at LT.

I think they could be OK, but I could see Brett really struggling having only 4 weeks to get ready for the season in a completely different offense than what he's used to.

For some reason I see NE and SD absolutely tearing him apart in weeks 2 and 3. Him not being in the best shape of his career, being overwealmed with a new offense and his age, I acctually worry for him a little.

The Vikings brought in Steve Hutchinson two seasons ago. How many playoff games have they gotten from that? My point is spending money on FA for the sake of spending largely does not get you anywhere. See Snyder, Daniel and Wilf, Zigi.

[Bretsky]

Unless Aaron Rodgers is a complete piece of shit GB should have more wins.

Simply put the talent is just much better.

Jets have the better OL; QB aside I'm not sure I'd annoint any other position besides OL on the Jets as being better than Green Bay's.

I'd say Jones is a better back than grant. Proven ability..but, not by much..or at least equal. There RB positon is better than ours.

Better at FB.

They are better at TE as well.

We really don't know if their rookie will be better or worse than Donald Lee.......but if you wanted to argue for that position I'd concede

I'd take Ryan Grant over Thomas Jones. Of course if you want to argue that you won't let me have Grant based on lack of experience then you are stuck with Bubba Franks and I'm taking the TE Back I'd also take Brandon Jackson over their backup HB.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The Jets brought in a hell of a good offensive lineman and DeBrickshaw should be a rock out at LT.

I think they could be OK, but I could see Brett really struggling having only 4 weeks to get ready for the season in a completely different offense than what he's used to.

For some reason I see NE and SD absolutely tearing him apart in weeks 2 and 3. Him not being in the best shape of his career, being overwealmed with a new offense and his age, I acctually worry for him a little.

The Vikings brought in Steve Hutchinson two seasons ago. How many playoff games have they gotten from that? My point is spending money on FA for the sake of spending largely does not get you anywhere. See Snyder, Daniel and Wilf, Zigi.

They brought in ONE lineman...and still had a crappy QB. They also didn't have a line like the jets..and look at how the hawks struggled to run after hutch left. They brought in Faneca and woody.

The point is that they didn't spend to spend..they spent WISELY. they needed to be able to run..so they signed good players..and brought in Bubba..who for all his faults can still block.

They brought in Richardson..who is a good blocker...or do you think AD got all those yards on his own.

[RashanGary]

I am being sarcastic. I think the Packers will be fine adn I think Favre is going to struggle in his new environment.

That said, they do have a cupcake schedule and the Packers have a brutal one.

[mraynrand]

I'll never bet against Favre until he fails. Fucker is one of the greatest competitors in the history of the NFL. Jets offense looks good to me with Favre under center. Defense seems a bit sketchy, and Ahmad Carroll will provide much-needed yards for Jets opponents. I suspect the Packers will go 5-3 or 4-4, then will get better as Rodgers slowly improves. Jets will win their wild-card (12-6), Packers will struggle to make the playoffs and lose their wildcard (10-7). I think Grant is better (or will be better) than Thomas Jones.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Unless Aaron Rodgers is a complete piece of shit GB should have more wins.

Simply put the talent is just much better.

Jets have the better OL; QB aside I'm not sure I'd annoint any other position besides OL on the Jets as being better than Green Bay's.

I'd say Jones is a better back than grant. Proven ability..but, not by much..or at least equal. There RB positon is better than ours.

Better at FB.

They are better at TE as well.

We really don't know if their rookie will be better or worse than Donald Lee.......but if you wanted to argue for that position I'd concede

I'd take Ryan Grant over Thomas Jones. Of course if you want to argue that you won't let me have Grant based on lack of experience then you are stuck with Bubba Franks and I'm taking the TE Back I'd also take Brandon Jackson over their backup HB.

I'd take Baker ..think you forgot about his 41 catches, and Bubba over Lee and Tory (or are we gonna count those consecutive not playing a as a positive)..toss out rookies...sorry, you lose.

RB: Jones has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard campaigns..with crap teams. Sorry, but at this stage he is the better/more accomplished back.

As for backups..i'd take musa, chatman and more importantly Leon Washington over ours right now. Wash had a 5 yard average which pretty much kills bjack.

Now, Bjack may wind up a better back...but, washington was better in college..and has been better so far.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'll never bet against Favre until he fails. Fucker is one of the greatest competitors in the history of the NFL. Jets offense looks good to me with Favre under center. Defense seems a bit sketchy, and Ahmad Carroll will provide much-needed yards for Jets opponents. I suspect the Packers will go 5-3 or 4-4, then will get better as Rodgers slowly improves. Jets will win their wild-card (12-6), Packers will struggle to make the playoffs and lose their wildcard (10-7). I think Grant is better (or will be better) than Thomas Jones.

Guess you stopped betting after the 4-12 season?

Grant: He may be..but, hard to discount 3 1000 yard seasons.

[Zool]

I'd say Jones is a better back than grant. Proven ability..but, not by much..or at least equal. There RB positon is better than ours.

Better at FB.

They are better at TE as well.

In 2 weeks, Thomas Jones hits the magical 30. His best season as a full-time starter was 4.3 a carry. That was his first year in Chicago, when they supposedly had some sort of awesome ground game. He's gone down hill every year since in YPC. He has almost 2000 NFL touches.

Washington is crazy fast, but its doubtful that he'll ever be a 25 carry guy at 5'8 200. Richardson was still a really good blocker last year, but the guy will be 37 before the season is out. How many times can a guy run hard as he can into a lineman or LB?

We wont go any further into the depth, mainly cause I know nothing about Justin Valentine and very little about Musa Smith.

Needless to say that RB core doesn't exactly strike fear. If Grant picks up where he left off, I call us the winners.

[Bretsky]

I am being sarcastic. I think the Packers will be fine adn I think Favre is going to struggle in his new environment.

That said, they do have a cupcake schedule and the Packers have a brutal one.

I know, and I agree with your above points. Although I'd probably consider the Packers schedule hard, but not near brutal. We still get four games against the Lions and Bears and face Tavarius Jackson the other two

[Zool]

RB: Jones has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard campaigns..with crap teams. Sorry, but at this stage he is the better/more accomplished back.

As for backups..i'd take musa, chatman and more importantly Leon Washington over ours right now. Wash had a 5 yard average which pretty much kills bjack.

Now, Bjack may wind up a better back...but, washington was better in college..and has been better so far.

Crappy SB team?

[mraynrand]

Guess you stopped betting after the 4-12 season?

I'll take your wink to be one of deep knowledge of the 2005 season. 95% of Packer fans are still blaming Shermy for that year anyway (correction by TT from 'Salary cap hell'), but it really was a lost season with injuries. If the Jets suck like the Pack did that year (and lose 5 starters on offense), Favre will probably spray the ball around trying to win games with his arm. I'll take that Favre over Pennington any day. I'd like to see Pennington - or just about any QB - play with the shit Favre had on offense that year and play the way he did against the Bears and Pitt. even with the errors due to pressing, he carried a shitty offense all by his lonesome, and almost won some improbable victories. That's a long-winded way of saying that, in my opinion, Favre didn't fail that year.

[mraynrand]

RB: Jones has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard campaigns..with crap teams. Sorry, but at this stage he is the better/more accomplished back.

Of course he is.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'd say Jones is a better back than grant. Proven ability..but, not by much..or at least equal. There RB positon is better than ours.

Better at FB.

They are better at TE as well.

In 2 weeks, Thomas Jones hits the magical 30. His best season as a full-time starter was 4.3 a carry. That was his first year in Chicago, when they supposedly had some sort of awesome ground game. He's gone down hill every year since in YPC. He has almost 2000 NFL touches.

Washington is crazy fast, but its doubtful that he'll ever be a 25 carry guy at 5'8 200. Richardson was still a really good blocker last year, but the guy will be 37 before the season is out. How many times can a guy run hard as he can into a lineman or LB?

We wont go any further into the depth, mainly cause I know nothing about Justin Valentine and very little about Musa Smith.

Needless to say that RB core doesn't exactly strike fear. If Grant picks up where he left off, I call us the winners.

I agree, nothing fearful...but, backs dont' have to die at 30..especially ones that got like 100 carries their first 4 years in the league.

YPC...i don't put much stock in that in regards to him as he clearly played with teams that couldn't pass...bears...YUCK...Jets..Pennington has a noodle arm...and their line sucked.

Wash: He is small..but, production is production. At this stage he clearly has beaten Bjack..in the pros and KILLED him in college. I agree..no 25 a game..but, neither will bjack.

Richardson: Def old, but so what. Can still get the job done..and, more importantly..our Fbs haven't been great. How many times...well, he could be the exception...gotta think gm/coach knows more than me and you.

I would call it even at this stage...but, i think experience goes their way...and that counts for something. Grant has EIGHT games...i'm not sold yet. Willard Harrell had a season..look how that turned out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

RB: Jones has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard campaigns..with crap teams. Sorry, but at this stage he is the better/more accomplished back.

As for backups..i'd take musa, chatman and more importantly Leon Washington over ours right now. Wash had a 5 yard average which pretty much kills bjack.

Now, Bjack may wind up a better back...but, washington was better in college..and has been better so far.

Crappy SB team?

That offense sucked. You and i both know that. Great defense.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

RB: Jones has had 3 consecutive 1000 yard campaigns..with crap teams. Sorry, but at this stage he is the better/more accomplished back.

Of course he is.

Better as well.

Betting: Brett has had other bad/average seasons. I don't put the blame on him. But, I think it is going to be a tough season...a ton to learn..adjusting to receivers, etc.

That is why the running game of the jets is crucial...like it was for us.