Johnny Jolly

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080809/PKR01/80809052

Sorry if this has already been discussed. I am more confused than ever by Jolly's situation and status.

The fact that the codiene was in the form of cough medicine is worse than pain-killing pills. I thought he might have been using it for medical purposes, even if illegally. I assume the syrup was in large quantities, or this wouldn't have been an issue.

I find it weird that he is allowed to keep playing, in light of the league's extreme sensitivity to drug use. I understand the "innocent until proven guilty" concept, but would a player caught with pounds of heroin in the trunk of his car be allowed to play, pending trial? I kinda doubt it.

Jolly is critical to the Packers 2008 chances, and that article makes it sound like they have a good shot of having his services. Yet it all seems so strange.

[Pacopete4]

Jolly is an idiot... seemed to be a player to be turning the corner and becoming a very, very good DT in this league but wow... what an idiot

[boiga]

Jolly's case is very minor. He was caught with an unknown amount of codeine mixed in with Dr Pepper in his car with three other passengers. One of the guys in the car had a bag of pot on his body and was charged for that as well.

The thing is that "lean" has become extremely popular social drug in the Houston area lately, so the DA probably was trying to take a harsh line on the guy. Jolly will probably get off though. He can simply argue that his friend with the pot brought the Dr. Pepper bottle in with him and he didn't realize it was lean.

That's enough to get him off. Jolly's agent is a criminal defense lawyer and said something to the effect of how it was as important for an NFL player to choose his friends wisely as it was to behave properly. He's throwing the pot head under the bus and should be fine for the season..

[Harlan Huckleby]

Jolly's case is very minor. He was caught with an unknown amount of codeine mixed in with Dr Pepper in his car with three other passengers. One of the guys in the car had a bag of pot on his body and was charged for that as well.

OK, thanks for this detail. Damn, the story sounds completely different every time I hear more information. I assumed it was a large quantity of cough medicine which was clearly Jolly's property.

This does sound very minor.

[The Gunshooter]

The police like to lie their a$$es off to make everything sound like a major drug bust. If they caught someone with some pot brownies they would call it 2lbs of marijuana instead of 2 eggs, 1/2 cup of oil, 4 cups of brownie mix, 1/2 cup of water and some small amount of pot. Hell they would weigh the baking dish too.

I do not promote drinking and drug use for everyone even though it works for me but how do we know what happened?

[boiga]

Yeah, they keep misreporting it in the media. All the reporters keep saying that he was caught with "200g of Codeine" When he was really caught with 200 g of Dr. Pepper with some codeine in it (ie a 16 oz bottle.)

That's a huge difference.

[Pacopete4]

If Jolly does get in trouble.. what are the odds a Gravedigger story arises about him wanting to play again?

[Guiness]

The police like to lie their a$$es off to make everything sound like a major drug bust. If they caught someone with some pot brownies they would call it 2lbs of marijuana instead of 2 eggs, 1/2 cup of oil, 4 cups of brownie mix, 1/2 cup of water and some small amount of pot. Hell they would weigh the baking dish too.

I do not promote drinking and drug use for everyone even though it works for me but how do we know what happened?

you get a BOMNF for that!

[The Gunshooter]

The police like to lie their a$$es off to make everything sound like a major drug bust. If they caught someone with some pot brownies they would call it 2lbs of marijuana instead of 2 eggs, 1/2 cup of oil, 4 cups of brownie mix, 1/2 cup of water and some small amount of pot. Hell they would weigh the baking dish too.

I do not promote drinking and drug use for everyone even though it works for me but how do we know what happened?

you get a BOMNF for that!

I was hoping to get a brownie.

[mission]

Cops *do* lie about their "busts" ... trust me.

Second, Matt Jones for Jax got caught cuttin and sniffin lines in his car and just plead "not guilty" (ya, um, that wasnt my coke?) ... he played last night. they gotta wait until it all folds out before making a move unless the team decides to take action before the league.

[pbmax]

The League's Personal Conduct Policy does not depend on a finding of guilty in a court of law. Goodell has suspended players well before their day in court. So Jolly is not safe until the end of his trial necessarily.

But as this is the first brush with the policy he and Jones may get the benefit of the doubt this time.

[hoosier]

Jolly's agent is a criminal defense lawyer and said something to the effect of how it was as important for an NFL player to choose his friends wisely as it was to behave properly. He's throwing the pot head under the bus and should be fine for the season..

Now that's someone who was thinking ahead when he got drafted.

[Patler]

The League's Personal Conduct Policy does not depend on a finding of guilty in a court of law. Goodell has suspended players well before their day in court. So Jolly is not safe until the end of his trial necessarily.

But as this is the first brush with the policy he and Jones may get the benefit of the doubt this time.

An article over the weekend made the following points:

-Under the new policy the commish can and has suspended players before trial.
-The commish has never suspended a "first offender" before trial.
-Jolly is a first offender.
-If it goes to trial, it won't likely happen until after the season.
-Unlikely Jolly would be suspended until 2009, if at all.
-This was a small enough matter that treatment and testing might be all he gets.

[Harlan Huckleby]

from the recent information, I have no reason to believe Jolly has a drug problem.

[javqa]

Jolly's case is very minor. He was caught with an unknown amount of codeine mixed in with Dr Pepper in his car.

I wonder were he got that idea?