OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Joemailman]

I didn't mean not do it, just stop talking about it until the time is right to do it. It's clear that any such ceremony is at least a little while off yet. Scuttle future talk about it until the team and Favre are ready to go ahead with it. Then, make a big announcement about it and get it over with. Continuing to talk about the uncertainty of when it will be is pointless.

I think by raising the issue Murphy is trying to get both Favre and the Packer fan base to at least start thinking about reconcilement. Favre is going to be a first ballot NFL Hall Of Famer in a few years. My guess is that both Murphy and the NFL want there to be a reconcilement before Favre's induction. They don't want the rift between Favre and the Packers to be what people are talking about at Favre's induction. Based on Favre's recent comments though, and the fact he didn't show for Holmgren's Packer HOF induction, it doesn't seem Favre is interested in a reconcilement any time soon. So while there may not be much Murphy can do, I think he will continue to try to nudge the process along.

[Patler]

I think by raising the issue Murphy is trying to get both Favre and the Packer fan base to at least start thinking about reconcilement. Favre is going to be a first ballot NFL Hall Of Famer in a few years. My guess is that both Murphy and the NFL want there to be a reconcilement before Favre's induction. They don't want the rift between Favre and the Packers to be what people are talking about at Favre's induction. Based on Favre's recent comments though, and the fact he didn't show for Holmgren's Packer HOF induction, it doesn't seem Favre is interested in a reconcilement any time soon. So while there may not be much Murphy can do, I think he will continue to try to nudge the process along.

All may be true, but even his HOF candidacy is a ways off, in the terms of NFL careers. A year or true with little Favre discussion would probably be good for him and the team.

[RashanGary]

It's all one big drama.

The way this thing went down couldn't have gone any worse for either side.



For the Packers, they wanted to pay the guy 20 million dollars to go away. They wanted to keep that golden goose, laying little *Packer for life) eggs for decades to come. Favre went to Minnesota. The fans turned their backs on him and now the Packers lose out on a bunch of cash they could have had if Favre had just gotten in line and done what they wanted him to do.

For Favre, he had a team ditch him in favor of Aaron Rodgers. I think in one of the interviews he cried when he said they were just doing it for Aaron. I don't remember the exact context, but he was friggin hurt. He had a bunch of reactions, on TV, that made him look bad. Then he went on to toss a horrible interception against the Saints and the Packers went on to be the most successful team over the last 4 years.


Horrible guy? Nope
Horrible time for all sides to come together? Yep


The Packers don't need Favre in any way. right now. Fans are enjoying the run and the Packers are making millions. In a few years, if the Packers have a little drought, that would be a good time to capitalize on some big Favre ceremonies, sell some Favre jerseys and memorabilia. . . .

There's no reason for Favre to march into GB right now with a bunch of fans who will boo him. Ron Wolf used to say we won't appreciate Favre until he's gone. As it turns out, we might not appreciate Favre until Aaron Rodgers is gone. Then, when the Packers aren't on top of the world, people might want to look back at the good old days, when Favre was ripping it up, rather than focusing on how Favre betrayed them.

We loved watching him play. For me it was about 12 of his 16 years here. For most, it was all 16. But still, he was a lot of fun to watch and it would be fun to look back at those big plays and celebrate his career. For Favre, I imagine it would feel good to get that gratitude from the fans and the team.



Sure seems like a good time to let this shit die. Sometimes I read a Driver article where he says "The Packers mean a lot to me and I mean a lot to them. I'm going to retire a Packer." Driver doesn't mean it to come off this way, but it comes off like he's loyal and Favre is not. It just shows how much the Favre thing affected me. I suspect others read that in too. Then AR says he's going to retire when he doesn't love the game enough to show up for the offseason work. Now that one, I think that one is a direct example of Aaron learning "what not to do" from Favre. From my perspective, it fortifies the opinions I had when Favre wasn't showing up. . . . . On my end, it's not a closed book yet. I don't think it is for a lot of people, including Favre and some of the leaders in the Packers (namely AR and MM) TT seems cold as ice. I don't think he gives a shit one way or the other.

[swede]

Hell I hope he gets his number retired in Minnesota before he walks back into Green Bay.

I think this represents a popular sentiment.

[GrnBay007]

Sometimes I read a Driver article where he says "The Packers mean a lot to me and I mean a lot to them. I'm going to retire a Packer." Driver doesn't mean it to come off this way, but it comes off like he's loyal and Favre is not. It just shows how much the Favre thing affected me. I suspect others read that in too. Then AR says he's going to retire when he doesn't love the game enough to show up for the offseason work. Now that one, I think that one is a direct example of Aaron learning "what not to do" from Favre. From my perspective, it fortifies the opinions I had when Favre wasn't showing up. . . .

I would not read into Driver's statement the way you did. I would image most guys on the present roster would say that if asked...can't bite the hand that feeds you.

Remember, talk is cheap. It's easy to utter those words when things are going your way and there is no end in site (Rodgers). They can't predict exactly what they would do if they were in Favre's situation, just like no one here could ....until you walk in someone else's shoes....wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all practiced that before making random statements, especially the statements meant to spite or degrade others?

[RashanGary]

007, I was more saying, fans draw a contrast still. 4 or 5 years later, it's still an issue for fans. Whenever a player talks about doing something opposite of what Favre did, it reminds me of him. I think other fans probably do the same thing.

What the heck is it with you Favre fans coming back for training camp anyway

This is fun time, damn it!!



But yeah, Favre still has an impact with Packer nation. Always will. He was a big part of our era of football. That won't go away.

My son likes this dude and this dude

[Deputy Nutz]

It's all one big drama.

The way this thing went down couldn't have gone any worse for either side.



For the Packers, they wanted to pay the guy 20 million dollars to go away. They wanted to keep that golden goose, laying little *Packer for life) eggs for decades to come. Favre went to Minnesota. The fans turned their backs on him and now the Packers lose out on a bunch of cash they could have had if Favre had just gotten in line and done what they wanted him to do.

For Favre, he had a team ditch him in favor of Aaron Rodgers. I think in one of the interviews he cried when he said they were just doing it for Aaron. I don't remember the exact context, but he was friggin hurt. He had a bunch of reactions, on TV, that made him look bad. Then he went on to toss a horrible interception against the Saints and the Packers went on to be the most successful team over the last 4 years.


Horrible guy? Nope
Horrible time for all sides to come together? Yep


The Packers don't need Favre in any way. right now. Fans are enjoying the run and the Packers are making millions. In a few years, if the Packers have a little drought, that would be a good time to capitalize on some big Favre ceremonies, sell some Favre jerseys and memorabilia. . . .

There's no reason for Favre to march into GB right now with a bunch of fans who will boo him. Ron Wolf used to say we won't appreciate Favre until he's gone. As it turns out, we might not appreciate Favre until Aaron Rodgers is gone. Then, when the Packers aren't on top of the world, people might want to look back at the good old days, when Favre was ripping it up, rather than focusing on how Favre betrayed them.

We loved watching him play. For me it was about 12 of his 16 years here. For most, it was all 16. But still, he was a lot of fun to watch and it would be fun to look back at those big plays and celebrate his career. For Favre, I imagine it would feel good to get that gratitude from the fans and the team.



Sure seems like a good time to let this shit die. Sometimes I read a Driver article where he says "The Packers mean a lot to me and I mean a lot to them. I'm going to retire a Packer." Driver doesn't mean it to come off this way, but it comes off like he's loyal and Favre is not. It just shows how much the Favre thing affected me. I suspect others read that in too. Then AR says he's going to retire when he doesn't love the game enough to show up for the offseason work. Now that one, I think that one is a direct example of Aaron learning "what not to do" from Favre. From my perspective, it fortifies the opinions I had when Favre wasn't showing up. . . . . On my end, it's not a closed book yet. I don't think it is for a lot of people, including Favre and some of the leaders in the Packers (namely AR and MM) TT seems cold as ice. I don't think he gives a shit one way or the other.

This post is spot on. I thought bringing up the number retirement was a bit too early, Favre has been retired for one season, and it is apparent that he isn't ready, let it die. The Packers are playing good football and honestly made a surprisingly easy transition from Favre to Rodgers, they have had great success on the field, and financially as well. The Packers don't need Favre any more than Favre needs the Packers. Spot on.

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[Iron Mike]

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[Iron Mike]

Alright, alright, alright!!!!

[swede]

And thus begins the "Dutch Women's Field Hockey" chapter of the Brett Favre thread.

This is why Fritz's thread is having a hard time keeping pace.

[Pugger]

All may be true, but even his HOF candidacy is a ways off, in the terms of NFL careers. A year or true with little Favre discussion would probably be good for him and the team.

And especially the fans.

I'm becoming more ambivalent about Favre as time goes on (= I don't give care about him one way or another, frankly) but I'm hoping the Packer brass puts a lid on this number/jersey retirement stuff entirely. It is too early for some for any reconciliation and the league frowns on retiring numbers these days anyway. I say putting his name up on the Ring of Honor after his HOF induction should suffice.

[Zool]

I know you are just trying to piss me off, I keep all the Favre talk here, I rarely respond to this thread to begin with, but you then try to start shit with me because you think you are funny. You don't listen to sports talk radio so you don't know shit about sports talk radio, you don't know what they are talking about, but you want to give lip about it. When Favre speaks Wisconsin listens, fact. Maybe it would be better if you just don't fucking respond to my shit. You are not funny, and I don't appreciate your bullshit. Go banter with Skinbasket, because I don't find you all that entertaining.

Not trying to be funny and I could care less about you so I'm not trying to piss you off. You have a good post then end it with something trying to rile up the locals. This can't be shocking news to you. It's been going on for a while.

I'll respond to anything I choose just as you can/do. Neat thing about a forum.

Tell you what, stop taking cheap shots at the users here and I'll do the same with you.

[pbmax]

Remember, talk is cheap. It's easy to utter those words when things are going your way and there is no end in site (Rodgers). They can't predict exactly what they would do if they were in Favre's situation, just like no one here could ....until you walk in someone else's shoes....wouldn't the world be a much better place if we all practiced that before making random statements, especially the statements meant to spite or degrade others?

On this, GB007 and I agree. Talk is cheap, especially when a very large check and contract are on the horizon. Rodgers is no more committed to the Packers at this stage of his career than Favre was. Favre was also going to retire when it wasn't fun anymore, nor did he care if he was being paid a lot of money to play and he told people he would retire rather than play for another team when the Packers thought he was done. Obviously, none of those statements were 100% true. And Rodgers words are no more binding. I am not winking with this post and taking a shot. 007 is right that Rodgers has no idea what his future holds.

Rogers cannot now envision putting his backup through the cold shoulder routine or running a power play against the team by taking a month or two to contemplate his retirement. But no one thinks relationships will turn sour when everything is going well.

The difference is that most Packer fans bought that Favre was different. No one wanted to see the signs that he had his own agenda. Rodgers can't burn that bridge, its already up in smoke.

[Patler]

And especially the fans.

I'm becoming more ambivalent about Favre as time goes on (= I don't give care about him one way or another, frankly) but I'm hoping the Packer brass puts a lid on this number/jersey retirement stuff entirely. It is too early for some for any reconciliation and the league frowns on retiring numbers these days anyway. I say putting his name up on the Ring of Honor after his HOF induction should suffice.

The team has no choice but to retire his number eventually. They already said they would. They had even scheduled a weekend to do it. The absolutely have to do it eventually, but when that will be depends on the relationship between the team and Favre.

My only point on the matter is that there is no reason to talk about it until the relationship is such that the ceremony will happen soon. Unlike some, I don't see any great need for it to happen before his HOF induction. If it can, fine. If not, so what?

[Deputy Nutz]

He couldn't walk away, he felt he was so close to winning a championship, and he couldn't let it go. He loved winning, he loved the cheers, and he loved the game. He was addicted and like so many other addictions you don't stop them until your body shuts down on itself. He wasn't concerned with his legacy, or at least the expectations that other people had for his legacy. 20 years of stardom and living as everyone else's hero and poster boy, and saint and sinner people have their opinions some of them fair, but regardless of spectrum most of them are now ridiculous. He still can't take a shit without Packer Fan commenting on it, and making it the talk of their sports day.

Zool, I would like to know exactly which section of my post you determined to be a cheap shot. Because I can come up with "cheap shots" that are ten times worse. I seriously don't know why you decided to get this worked up and start shit over this one post when I have flamed Packer fan a 100 times worse than anything that could have been taken as a cheap shot in the above post. regardless what I say on this topic you find a reason to call me out, you act like a bitch. you want to be the holy protector of Packer fan, fine but I will start calling you out like the bitch that you are. You want to start a flame war with me go ahead, but please pick a post where I have actually taken a cheap shot.

Here I will give you something so you can actually get worked up,

"95% of the Packer fans in the state of Wisconsin are low life, Starter apparel wearing, booger eating slobs, that can hardly read. The only thrill they get is to get drunk on cheap, shitty beer and make racist remarks towards any and all black players regardless if they screw up or make a great play. These are the same fans that can only name two Packers, Aaron Roger, and Brett Favre, and then call him Bert Favre like they are the first witty bastard to come up with it, even though they saw it on a shirt at their local Walmart. Hey Packer fan, Stonewashed jeans went out of fashion 20 years ago. It is bad enough that Packer fan goes ballistic every time the Packers lose a game(blamed on the black players of course) but do they need to choke their daughters, and kick their dogs?

See those things I just wrote are what I would call cheap shots, talking about what interests Packer fan is not. I can't believe you honestly find a lack of truth with my quoted post and if you did, then you are very ignorant and out of touch with Green Bay Packer fans interests and concerns.