Is Favre's Arm Fatigued?

[Bossman641]

From the horses mouth, you need to be able to do 10 plays well. You will of course game plan during the week as usual learning new plays, etc.

This isn't Madden. There are no money plays to master. Unless I'm mistaken, offenses rarely run the same passing play more than once or twice a game.

It's my understanding they run the same few plays over and over again if they work. Favre said "you need to know, what, 10 plays", so I guess I'll take the word of the 17 year vet, best quarterback ever.

Same plays over and over again? False

You think maybe he was understating that a little bit?

No I don't, why would he? Watch a Packer game and watch the same few run plays, and then a few different passes. It's not rocket science. There's only so much variation that you can have.

The run plays are similar, but the passing plays? No way

Agree to disagree

[Chevelle2]

best quarterback ever.

We are talking about Johnny U?

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There is no disagreeing here. Partial is wrong.

[sharpe1027]

No I don't, why would he? Watch a Packer game and watch the same few run plays, and then a few different passes. It's not rocket science. There's only so much variation that you can have.

Just because you can't understand the differences between the plays does not mean they are the same play. There is a reason that the coach carries a huge sheet with all the plays and it isn't just to cover up their mouth.

You are wrong.

[Deputy Nutz]

He's in for a rude awakening this year. Not 2005 bad, but nowhere near 2007. I don't think he's even close to the physical condition he was in last year.

I agree and learning that completely new offense is going to be pure hell. All of that time he spent studying opponents defenses and working with the WRs on how to take advantage of different looks is going to be spent just figuring out how to get the play off.

Favre is in trouble. I expect a bad year and I feel a little guilty but I look forward to seeing him struggle. Hopefully he plays 50% of the snaps because I want the 3rd instead of the 4th.

you're crazy. He needs to know what, 10 plays? He's a 17 year vet. People say he is dumb, but it is football. Not exactly a cerebral sport as much it is about having a feel for the game and knowing how to play the game.

I'm sure he's feeling comfortable with the game already.

Just because you don't think that you would be able to pick up an offense in that amount of time, does not mean a professional athlete wouldn't. Remember, this guy didn't become Brett Favre by relying on physical skills only. Clearly, like all great athletes, he is a workaholic and refuses to give it anything less than the very best.

His arm is a little sore after getting extra throws to get caught up. What a surprise! It's not like everyone isn't tired and sore during camp. It is not at all unexpected.

Save your breath, the closest Harrell, has come to playing or understanding football is in his backyard and what Phil Simms tells him. I heard he actually likes to listen to JAWS as well, but that might be myth.

For you Partial, at least you got to play catch with me, so you might have slightly better knowledge than him.

[Partial]

From the horses mouth, you need to be able to do 10 plays well. You will of course game plan during the week as usual learning new plays, etc.

This isn't Madden. There are no money plays to master. Unless I'm mistaken, offenses rarely run the same passing play more than once or twice a game.

It's my understanding they run the same few plays over and over again if they work. Favre said "you need to know, what, 10 plays", so I guess I'll take the word of the 17 year vet, best quarterback ever.

Same plays over and over again? False

You think maybe he was understating that a little bit?

No I don't, why would he? Watch a Packer game and watch the same few run plays, and then a few different passes. It's not rocket science. There's only so much variation that you can have.

The run plays are similar, but the passing plays? No way

Agree to disagree

Do you disagree with Brett Favre, a 17 year NFL vet and first ballet hall of famer? How can you claim to have a more intimiate knowledge of play calling than he?

[Partial]

Nutzy this year we'll have to spend some more time chucking the rock around. Good times. I showed HW that even a big man can posess Steve Smith like speed!

[Deputy Nutz]

You can only have so many formations in the game of football on the NFL level. sure you can run almost an infinite amount of plays from ever formation, and trust me NFL playbooks have just about every imaginable pass play, but again, only so many plays will work. Again there are only so many different routes a player can run. terminology is the killer, especially when you are under center and need to audible to get the tight end to change his route from a 15 yard out to seam route down the middle to bust the Tampa 2.

Shit is basically all the same, attack man coverage, or find the open areas in the zone defense. Defense is set in a cover 3 with the strong safety cheating to the flat, attack the zone between the free safety and the linebackers. Defenses can only run so many different coverages, they are easy to identify, especially if you are a 17 year vet and know all the little cheats to pick up a defense.

Football isn't nearly as complicated as Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden make it appear.

[sharpe1027]

You can only have so many formations in the game of football on the NFL level. sure you can run almost an infinite amount of plays from ever formation, and trust me NFL playbooks have just about every imaginable pass play, but again, only so many plays will work. Again there are only so many different routes a player can run. terminology is the killer, especially when you are under center and need to audible to get the tight end to change his route from a 15 yard out to seam route down the middle to bust the Tampa 2.

Shit is basically all the same, attack man coverage, or find the open areas in the zone defense. Defense is set in a cover 3 with the strong safety cheating to the flat, attack the zone between the free safety and the linebackers. Defenses can only run so many different coverages, they are easy to identify, especially if you are a 17 year vet and know all the little cheats to pick up a defense.

Football isn't nearly as complicated as Mike Holmgren and Jon Gruden make it appear.

True, but they run more than 10 plays a game. Hell, I bet teams use more than 10 formations, much less plays, in some games. You have down and distance dependent plays, endzone plays, match-up determined plays, audibles, two-minute drills, ect. Besides even if they were to only run only 10 plays in a game, they need to have many more available. They don't script plays for the entire game and they don't know for sure what the defense will be doing. They need plays available for many different situations.

Simply put, you need to have more than 10 plays available for an NFL game. You need more than 10 plays available for a college game. You can probably get away with 10 plays at some high-school levels.

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The language in even calling an NFL pass play is pretty complicated. Im trying to think of an example but that shit doesn't exactly roll off the tongue. I find it hard to believe you haven't heard it before though ... it's not exactly like I-Right, 24 Power Right kinda shit ...

[BallHawk]

Do you disagree with Brett Favre, a 17 year NFL vet and first ballet hall of famer?

When did Favre become a dancer? Is he taking the next step to becoming a true diva?

[Bossman641]

From the horses mouth, you need to be able to do 10 plays well. You will of course game plan during the week as usual learning new plays, etc.

This isn't Madden. There are no money plays to master. Unless I'm mistaken, offenses rarely run the same passing play more than once or twice a game.

It's my understanding they run the same few plays over and over again if they work. Favre said "you need to know, what, 10 plays", so I guess I'll take the word of the 17 year vet, best quarterback ever.

Same plays over and over again? False

You think maybe he was understating that a little bit?

No I don't, why would he? Watch a Packer game and watch the same few run plays, and then a few different passes. It's not rocket science. There's only so much variation that you can have.

The run plays are similar, but the passing plays? No way

Agree to disagree

Do you disagree with Brett Favre, a 17 year NFL vet and first ballet hall of famer? How can you claim to have a more intimiate knowledge of play calling than he?

Yea, I do

There are certainly more than 10 plays a game. It's not even a question. Coaches script the first 15 plays alone. I highly doubt plays 11-15 read "Repeat play 3, repeat play 7, repeat play 4...." YOU ARE WRONG. Get over it.

Yea, once he has the terminology down it will not be as difficult, but he has to unlearn all the terminology he currently knows and learn a completely new system. He has quite a ways to go before it becomes second nature for him, much more than learning 10 plays.

Watch the Packers game on Saturday, you'll see 11 different plays in the first 2 drives alone.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Remember, this guy didn't become Brett Favre by relying on physical skills only. Clearly, like all great athletes, he is a workaholic and refuses to give it anything less than the very best.

Well, if we are to take the "horses" mouth about the 10 plays, then we have to take it about the work..and brett has clearly stated he doesn't like practices, studying, etc.

Brett likes to play in the games. That is about it.

[Packers4Ever]

I apologize for using common sense here, but here's a thought.... If you're tired of reading about Favre, then just ignore the freaken threads already!

YOU GO, GBR !!!

We used to have another method on a Forum I was in,
anybody who didn't like what they were reading was
welcome to SOB - or, Scroll On By
Worked real well.....

[Scott Campbell]

Favre said "you need to know, what, 10 plays", so I guess I'll take the word of the 17 year vet, best quarterback ever.

Did you take him at his word when he said he'd never play for another team?