Can a great QB make an average team great

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You do not switch QBs from an all-pro to an inferior one when you can contend.

You also don't let one player hold the franchise hostage with yearly performances of "should I, or shouldn't I". For all of T.O.'s antics, I never remember his Mommy leaking stuff to the press.

I've never bought into the "hold the team/franchise" verbiage that this forum has seemed to embrace so well. Seems like a drama queen type of phrase that that many seem to embrace to overstate the annual effect it has actually had on our team.

Reality is our starter has been sitting behind Favre for a few years now. Surely Favre's waffling didn't hurt the franchise before the 13-3 year.

But now since we didn't like Favre's antics (neither did I) we conveniently use that phrase like it's fact. Favre's delay last year or the year before didn't hurt one bit. Nobody liked the drama; but it didn't hold anybody or anything hostage.

The antics this offseason just sucked. Overall I'm pretty surprised on June 20th when Favre made that initial call to MM...........I'm just surprised they weren't on a jet the next day to figure out how to settle this one way or the other. Would seem to have salvaged a lot of hassle and bad feelings

A money shot from the banker.

[dissident94]

The guy I thought would be for the move was my brother in law who is a Pittsburgh fan and someone who probably knows knwo about football than most on here. I really thought he would have a business side of it. But he surprised me when he was really confused by it and was wondering if I thought it was personal.

He said if Pitt did that to Rothlesburger he would call for the GMs head. And I agree. Really no logic behind the move.

[lod01]

What you're comparing right now is Favre's instinct after 16 years to Rodgers first season. I'm guessing here that if you go back to 1992-93 you might find a few plays there where Favre wasn't throwing it by instinct. We can't give the kid a break at least until the season starts before we start expecting Hall of Fame performance out of him every game?

they air the 1st game of Favre's vs Cincinnati once in a while on NFL network. The difference is night and day between that and Favre now. It will take time for anyone. Rodgers, whoever. To expect anything remotely close to Favre of last year is a dream only.

[Scott Campbell]

The whole summer was high drama in Packer land. I've never witnessed more. McCarthy admitted that all the drama was having an effect on the team at the end, and that they needed to get back to football.

[Scott Campbell]

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[The Gunshooter]

The way GB played last night is cause for concern but more importantly will be how they bounce back in the 3rd game. That is the game the starters play into the 3rd quarter. If they are getting their asses handed to them by Denver then I can understand people getting bent out of shape. Until then, cackling hens need to get a grip. The sky is not falling. That game didn't count.

When you have a young QB like Rodgers, the receivers must come up with the catch. If they can't get open, and they can't catch it when they do the guy is going to press.

All we know now is Bush sucks even though we always knew that, and not having Pickett, Grant, Harris, Hawk, Jennings, and KGB is big trouble.

[Bretsky]

The whole summer was high drama in Packer land. I've never witnessed more. McCarthy admitted that all the drama was having an effect on the team at the end, and that they needed to get back to football.

Going back to my point he did not hold the Packers hostage "annually" with his will I or won't I.

If you want to state it has had an effect this year I will agree

[Bretsky]

The way GB played last night is cause for concern but more importantly will be how they bounce back in the 3rd game. That is the game the starters play into the 3rd quarter. If they are getting their asses handed to them by Denver then I can understand people getting bent out of shape. Until then, cackling hens need to get a grip. The sky is not falling. That game didn't count.

When you have a young QB like Rodgers, the receivers must come up with the catch. If they can't get open, and they can't catch it when they do the guy is going to press.

All we know now is Bush sucks even though we always knew that, and not having Pickett, Grant, Harris, Hawk, Jennings, and KGB is big trouble.

I agree; way too early to tell anything.....although it would be nice of individual performances were crisper

[RashanGary]

I don't think a great QB can make an average team look great. A great QB can make an average offense look good but that is before you mix in ST's and defense.

QB is a very important position and is really the center piece of any great offense but without a good/great defense and st's the QB is pretty much screwed no matter what he does.

[Bretsky]

I don't think a great QB can make an average team look great. A great QB can make an average offense look good but that is before you mix in ST's and defense.

QB is a very important position and is really the center piece of any great offense but without a good/great defense and st's the QB is pretty much screwed no matter what he does.

Dan Marino would agree

[RashanGary]

Haha, Bretsky. I go off the deep end on this team and suddenly we're on the same page

[GrnBay007]

What you're comparing right now is Favre's instinct after 16 years to Rodgers first season. I'm guessing here that if you go back to 1992-93 you might find a few plays there where Favre wasn't throwing it by instinct. We can't give the kid a break at least until the season starts before we start expecting Hall of Fame performance out of him every game?

True. But Favre was thrown into the fire relatively soon after he joined the team. Rodgers has been with this team for 3 years.

[LEWCWA]

Like it or not we must compare Favre with Rodgers.

We were 13-3 last year and we changed QB.

You make it sound like the Packers chose to change QB's. Not to beat a dead horse, but Brett retired. Brett forced the Packers to make a change, not once, but twice. They were prepared to welcome him back twice but were told each time "no thanks". Nothing else they could do.

Wrong----Favre did come back, Packers chose to trade him...

[Gunakor]

I don't think a great QB can make an average team look great. A great QB can make an average offense look good but that is before you mix in ST's and defense.

QB is a very important position and is really the center piece of any great offense but without a good/great defense and st's the QB is pretty much screwed no matter what he does.

And to expand on this a bit, a top tier defense can make up for very average QB play also. Just ask Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson or Jeff Hostetler. This applies to Green Bay and Aaron Rodgers as well, because I truly believe that we have a top tier defense here.

The Niners scored 34 points against us yesterday, but not a single one of them came against the first team defense. There's no way San Fransisco walks all over us in a regular season game. Not a chance. They'd be lucky to score 10 points for the game, a number than even an average offensive performance could easily top.

The argument I made last preseason is that the defense would keep us in games and we'd make the playoffs. Week 1, the defense won the game. Defense beat the Skins last year too. Yeah, even our 13-3 team last year struggled offensively at times. Brett Favre looked like shit on more than one occasion, and we finished 13-3 anyhow. Even if Aaron Rodgers looks like shit from time to time, this team should win at least 10 games this year. The defense is up to the challenge.

[Gunakor]

True. But Favre was thrown into the fire relatively soon after he joined the team. Rodgers has been with this team for 3 years.

This is a very different team than the one Rodgers was drafted by in 2005. New coach, new philosophy, new players. So I'm not sure Rodgers being with the team for 3 years really applies here.

Certainly his first season under Mike Sherman as HC is a wash, and the team around him has changed so drastically since then that I don't see him having been able to get all that comfortable. Even today, they can't decide who is going to make up the line protecting him. That's changing practically every day.

On this offense there are 3 guys who were on the #1 unit when Rodgers was drafted. Cliffy and Tauch, and Donald Driver. That's it. And Rodgers hasn't been able to work on his timing with Driver in practice until this year. He's worked with Jennings a bit, but Jennings hasn't been on the field yet. He's worked with Jones alot, so it's no suprise that Jones has the lone TD reception for the first team unit this preseason.