Offensive Line Depth Chart Change

[KYPack]

Re: Offensive Line Depth Chart Change

Depth chart updated 8/18 has Colledge (LG) and Spitz (RG) as the first team guards.

Oh my God, where is KY? In your face!

Also, our little debate was that you said Colledge would start over Sitton at RG. Colledge is now the starter at LG, a little topic we never argued over.

I suggested the line would be exactly the way it is now, obviously Colledge is better suited to LG and Spitz to RG.

But honestly, I don't have a strong sense of what is going to happen. I only picked Colledge because experience counts a lot.

Even though Colledge is listed as a starter for the moment, I don't think it is unthinkable that he would be a surprise cut! That's right. I wonder if his promotion to a starter is so the coaches can get a hard look at him. It's happened before that guards have had stints as starters in the preseason and been gone in September. Colledge is in his third year, and he's still floundering far too much.

Who is counting?

But...

This was your quote

"I hope College starts in place of Sitton so I can rub it in to the OL master, KY.

Actually, I'm not sure I'm quite that spiteful. College doesn't look good at guard, at least Sitton has upside."

I didn't think College would start in place of Sitton because Sitton is this year's "chosen one". They've moved everyone everywhere and shuffled the whole interior line except Sitton. He HAS to be the the RG, I guess. He's played well, but he's the only interior guy that has been allowed to play a constant position.

[run pMc]

If Wells is healthy he's the starter at C this year.
Next year might be different...I could see Spitz taking over at C if they can figure out the rest of the line. Those OT's have some miles on them.

Lots of OLinemen have trouble with the Willams boys...and C is historically the weak spot on the OL. Nobody likes to see your C get rag dolled; I'm sure it happens to others besides Wells. M3 would be smart to get Wells some help on a few snaps.

Who does M3 start at RG and LG? I'm not sold on Sitton, so (assuming Wells is healthy) I think it's Spitz and Colledge in Week 1.

Scenario 2: The injury to Wells is worse than they're letting on and he goes on IR, Spitz take over at C, and Sitton and Colledge at G, with Colledge losing his focus (and his job) to Barbre at some point in the season.

[Harlan Huckleby]

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"I hope College starts in place of Sitton so I can rub it in to the OL master, KY."

OK, but I also listed the final O-line positions somewhere. I'm just trying to insult you in a pithy manner here, to increase the sting, deepen your humiliation.

I didn't think College would start in place of Sitton because Sitton is this year's "chosen one". They've moved everyone everywhere and shuffled the whole interior line except Sitton. He HAS to be the the RG, I guess. He's played well, but he's the only interior guy that has been allowed to play a constant position.

I agree with you, I think and hope that Sitton will be the starter after the dust settles. I only formed the Daryn College Fan Club because you sounded too sure about things, I really believe it is all unpredictable.

[KYPack]

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"I hope College starts in place of Sitton so I can rub it in to the OL master, KY."

OK, but I also listed the final O-line positions somewhere. I'm just trying to insult you in a pithy manner here, to increase the sting, deepen your humiliation.

I didn't think College would start in place of Sitton because Sitton is this year's "chosen one". They've moved everyone everywhere and shuffled the whole interior line except Sitton. He HAS to be the the RG, I guess. He's played well, but he's the only interior guy that has been allowed to play a constant position.

I agree with you, I think and hope that Sitton will be the starter after the dust settles. I only formed the Daryn College Fan Club because you sounded too sure about things, I really believe it is all unpredictable.

OK Doggie. Maybe I was cocky. I'll admit to half stung and half humiliated. Probably nobody can predict what the final line will be. Just want 5 guys to play their way into jobs and gel as a line.


I'll tell ya what pissed me off. Why did they move Spitz to LG for the SF game? Colledge and Barbe had earned the right to a shoot-off for the LG job. Instead they move Spitz to that spot, who got hammered.

Then they move Barbre to LT 'cause Colledge did a shit job at LT in the SF game? I don't get it. I think DC and Barbre should split the reps at LG for the last games and may the best guard win.

I wasn't being cocky. I'm confused as the rest of the fans.

[Noodle]

I'm bumming big time about the Wells injury. With a new qb, you want your center to be rock solid at line calls -- they can really save a qb's hinder. Wells is pretty dang good at this, and its a skill that just takes experience, something that Spitz ain't gonna have for a while.

Almost as bumming for me is the prospect of another year with College at guard. My impression is that the dude just does not have the ability to anchor on bull rushes by massive DTs, leading to crushed pockets and a jittery Arod.

Has anyone seen something out of College that suggests to you that he can be a stout interior lineman? I have not, and as such, I don't know why the Pack is wasting time with him there. Unless they have a secret plan to stuff a half-ton sea anchor down his trousers.

[Cleft Crusty]

Has anyone seen something out of College that suggests to you that he can be a stout interior lineman? I have not, and as such, I don't know why the Pack is wasting time with him there. Unless they have a secret plan to stuff a half-ton sea anchor down his trousers.

I've watched tape on the guy, Noodle, and he's not a lost cause. With the ZBS the Packers use, Colledge is effective at the cut back blocks, running to the right behind Tauscher. He struggles in short yardage situations, because he seems to have poor push. Pass pro is iffy. Stout he is not, but he is serviceable. But your concern is not without reason. The Packers ought to have a better option at this point, and it appears they just don't. Perhaps if Spitz and Sitton get up to speed fast, the Packers might be able to replace Colledge as the season progresses, but right now, it seems as though there is too much change along the line to put in, say Barbre.

[RashanGary]

Wells is not established as a starter according to McCarthy. Earlier this week McCarthy said Spitz was the best interior lineman last year.

I think you misread both of these. McCarthy has said Wells hasn't established himself, but more because he hasn't been healthy. Until he regains his health, he won't be starting. The second one is coachspeak... depending on when and how they are asked. I think after the season the coaches generally said Wells graded highest among the OL. Spitz was their most consistent OG.

you must have missed teh JS article early in the offseason. They had Spitz graded ahead of Wells based on Wells having more bad run and pass plays. IT would match perfectly well with McCarthy's comments that there are 5 guys competing for 2 spots and Spitz was last years most consistant.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I think the way to look at it is this: they have one guy in the interior line that they are fully confident in, Spitz. Wells has some shortcomings at center, does some things very well. The rest of the players are about the same and iffy.

[3irty1]

I feel like there are so many young guys who all seem to have so much potential that at least one more guy will establish himself like Spitz did last year.

[mraynrand]

I think the way to look at it is this: they have one guy in the interior line that they are fully confident in, Spitz. Wells has some shortcomings at center, does some things very well. The rest of the players are about the same and iffy.

What do you mean about Spitz? They feel confident in him as back up and/or starting center? If you mean guard, I doubt it - or at least they have to be worried following that horrible outing in SF. Is it currently Clifton, College, Spitz, Sitton, Tauscher? Is that the opening day line?

[Harlan Huckleby]

I mean that, among the guards and centers, Spitz is at top of the shit pile. Followed by Wells.

Who else is better?

[retailguy]

I mean that, among the guards and centers, Spitz is at top of the shit pile. Followed by Wells.

Who else is better?

I'm not sure that Spitz is still at the top of the pile, but I guess that depends on whether he had a "one game abberation" or if this continues.

I do think they like him better at center than guard. The question becomes then do they like him better than Wells at center, and, do they have a guard that they like as well as Spitz?

Seemingly, the answer is no to at least the last part of the question, and perhaps is no to the first part too, but that seems less clear.

[RashanGary]

Spitz has been a good RG. He was bad at LG last year and bad at LG now. At RG and OC, I think he's the best and most consistant interior lineman.

If I had to guess I'd say Colledge, Wells and Spitz start this year when Wells gets healthy. After this year, I think Wells days are done and Colledges days as a starter might be too if he can't find consistancy. I see Spitz as a guy who will be here for a long time. I think Sitton might be another. If Colledge gets more consistant I think he could too. Wells seems like a guy who's not good enough no matter what he does but I thought that of Ruvell and he proved me wrong so hopefully Wells still has some upside that we havn't seen.

[Noodle]

I've watched tape on the guy, Noodle, and he's not a lost cause. With the ZBS the Packers use, Colledge is effective at the cut back blocks, running to the right behind Tauscher. He struggles in short yardage situations, because he seems to have poor push. Pass pro is iffy. Stout he is not, but he is serviceable. But your concern is not without reason. The Packers ought to have a better option at this point, and it appears they just don't. Perhaps if Spitz and Sitton get up to speed fast, the Packers might be able to replace Colledge as the season progresses, but right now, it seems as though there is too much change along the line to put in, say Barbre.

This is good analysis.

I don't claim to have knowledge superior to other folks or the coaches, but I do know what I see. I don't at this point see College as a long term occupant of the position, and I think one of his bigger weaknesses (allowing the inside pocket to get pushed back in the qb's face) is especially bad given Arod's inexperience.