OFFICIAL Favre/Rodgers Comparison Thread

[Pugger]

How do you know this season is already a bust? Did you check with tarot cards, an Ouigi board or an eight ball? There is no guarantee the Packers would've gone back to the NFC Championship game with Brett. And nor is there with Aaron under center. Brett had a renaissance last season but none of us can predict the future. Let's just let the season unfold before we declare we are doomed.

[pbmax]

Nobody in the Packer front office or exec board thinks (or should think) Rodgers will out play Favre, one on one, this year. Maybe in the extreme cold, maybe in the wind and rain and maybe in the fourth quarter of a playoff game. But not every down, game in game out.

There is no replicating Favre's knowledge that quickly with Rodgers in his first year with no starts. Favre became the MVP everybody remembers after starting game 37 in his fourth year in the league, 1994. Rodger has a head start with a consistent system for two years previous and three training camps plus McCarthy's Qback school. But that is not the same as starting.

Anyone who has watched Thompson, agree or disagree with the approach, knows he prizes value over immediate result, all else being equal. He trusts his coaching staff to develop players and knows those players will usually continue to get better. He has them while they are young, cheap and less likely to get injured.

If Favre had never retired, then this discussion might be moot. But subtract his icon status and let Thompson play the decision straight by his approach, I think he would have gone with Rodgers this year anyway. Even knowing that the result might not be as good, he would have valued the youth, opportunity to improve and ability to sign his own player to a longer term contract to cement a playoff window for the next 5 years.

In this imaginary scenario, if he choose Favre again, he would be choosing age, expense and declining skills. Not among his favorite things. He also would not have known his QB for the next two years and he would know less about Rodgers.

He has also had the opportunity we do not have of informing his superior and the exec board exactly what he expects for the next year and the next three. Rodgers could fall off the rail and Favre take the Jets to the playoffs and Thompson isn't going anywhere. The team is probably too good to fall well below .500 even with poor QB play.

The tickets are already sold into the next decade and people have put up with a lot worse. Thompson and McCarthy have three years minimum (including this year) to make it work with the next quarterback, no matter what his name may be.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Simply, if Favre excels in New York and Rodgers and the Packers fail, the Packer franchise will be turned on its head. People will completely lose faith with the front office and coaching staff. Their will be no light at the end of tunnel.

you wish.

The franchise won't be turned on its head. Some fans will be throwing fits, but so what. The GM and Coaches are not on a short leash, they are judged by their longterm track record.

[Bretsky]

Simply, if Favre excels in New York and Rodgers and the Packers fail, the Packer franchise will be turned on its head. People will completely lose faith with the front office and coaching staff. Their will be no light at the end of tunnel.

you wish.

The franchise won't be turned on its head. Some fans will be throwing fits, but so what. The GM and Coaches are not on a short leash, they are judged by their longterm track record.

Lots of Wynn bashing lately HH; you should get out your shields and go defend him again

[retailguy]

How do you know this season is already a bust? Did you check with tarot cards, an Ouigi board or an eight ball? There is no guarantee the Packers would've gone back to the NFC Championship game with Brett. And nor is there with Aaron under center. Brett had a renaissance last season but none of us can predict the future. Let's just let the season unfold before we declare we are doomed.

I don't think he's saying the season is a bust. What he's saying is that a dynasty "might" be coming to an end. The consistency we've enjoyed over the last 16 seasons is now "TOTALLY" gone, all the players, all the coaches, most of the management are gone. I suppose you could find an accountant or a security guard that's still around but that'd be about it.

So, if we're to keep reigns on the "dynasty" and "consistency" we do it with new people. How those new people do is still up in the air.

I freaking can't believe I actually agree with Nutz.... The world must be ending.

[Deputy Nutz]

Simply, if Favre excels in New York and Rodgers and the Packers fail, the Packer franchise will be turned on its head. People will completely lose faith with the front office and coaching staff. Their will be no light at the end of tunnel.

you wish.

The franchise won't be turned on its head. Some fans will be throwing fits, but so what. The GM and Coaches are not on a short leash, they are judged by their longterm track record.

I am not hoping for the Packers to lose, I hope they win and McCarthy and Thompson do a great job. That is not the point, the point is after this Favre situation Thompson is going to be on a short leash from the fans, maybe not Murphy and the board, but even if he does a decent job it doesn't mean he still won't be held accountable for this situation 3 years from now and it still won't mean he won't lose his job three years from now directly from this "Summer of Favre".

[Scott Campbell]

JT O'Sullivan took apart the Bears yesterday going 7/8 for 123 yards and a TD. I was in the Bay Area, and he's looking like it will be tough to beat him out for the starting job.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Lots of Wynn bashing lately HH; you should get out your shields and go defend him again

What the hell are you talking about? I saw Wynn was a bum right from the start, I don't need Nutz to teach me that. Some people have bad memories.

[Harlan Huckleby]

it doesn't mean he still won't be held accountable for this situation 3 years from now and it still won't mean he won't lose his job three years from now directly from this "Summer of Favre".

ok, ya, I agree with this. If the Favrendectomy turns into a fiasco, it could lead to a shake-up down the road, but only if the team struggles for two or more years.

[Scott Campbell]

These past 16 years have been the most consistent of any time in Green Bay. Sure the 60s had a hell of a lot more championships but they couldn't maintain.

You lost me with this one. The 60's were plenty consistent.

[Scott Campbell]

Brett had a renaissance last season but none of us can predict the future.

Yep. Indian summers don't last forever.

[swede]

Simply, if Favre excels in New York and Rodgers and the Packers fail, the Packer franchise will be turned on its head. People will completely lose faith with the front office and coaching staff. Their will be no light at the end of tunnel.

you wish.

The franchise won't be turned on its head. Some fans will be throwing fits, but so what. The GM and Coaches are not on a short leash, they are judged by their longterm track record.

I am not hoping for the Packers to lose, I hope they win and McCarthy and Thompson do a great job. That is not the point, the point is after this Favre situation Thompson is going to be on a short leash from the fans, maybe not Murphy and the board, but even if he does a decent job it doesn't mean he still won't be held accountable for this situation 3 years from now and it still won't mean he won't lose his job three years from now directly from this "Summer of Favre".

I'm thinking Nutz is right. It is obvious to the typical Favre fan/TT jihadist that the disretirement of Favre is grounds for immediate dismissal of the GM. Presently this crew is small and noisy but lack real impact--mostly because they are inbred doofusses. Think Appalachian hillbillies with better teeth.

However, a huge pressure wave of converted agnostics will grab pitchforks and shake foam hats at TT and Murphy should Favre do great in NY while we struggle to a .500 record and miss the playoffs.

The worst thing that could happen to this team is NOT that TT and MM would get fired for lack of progress. Two bad years in a row at this point and they SHOULD get fired.

The worst thing that could happen is TT and MM getting fired while Murphy stays on as president. With a good strong GM in place Murphy's weaknesses are marginalized. If we put the direction of this team in Murphy's hands following the potential debacle of a melted-down TT regime we would be in huge trouble.

I have nothing to base this on. I simply feel that Murphy is more of a facilitator than a leader.

[Harlan Huckleby]

TT won Executive of Year award last season, right? His track record is stellar, he is not going to flounder badly. FAvre is a 39 year-old QB, he is not going to be a thorn in side for long.

Nobody is going to fire TT, unless he gets caught in bed with a dead woman or live boy.

[mmmdk]

Tough one...is A-Rod or Favre better than Anthony Dilweg on broken plays? What a great thread...

[retailguy]

I simply feel that Murphy is more of a facilitator than a leader.

That could be the role that he's choosing to fill as he gets up to speed.

I'm not sure I'd write him off so quickly, after all, he injected himself into the Favre thing, he didn't have to do anything....