IS GB A LEADING SUPERBOWL CONTENDER EVEN W/O #4?

[mraynrand]

Should this thread be in the smoking or non-smoking section?

[Chevelle2]

not only did Favre go 3-7, but all the losses were entirely his fault. And based on his two regular season appearances and preseason outings, Rodgers will certainly be better.

I was looking at the game log of the 04 MIN game.

3 straight possessions in the 4th quarter:

INT
3-and-out on a 3rd and 4
INT

Score remained the same after all three possesions, that is MIN didn't score, that is, it would have been easy to comeback.

[mraynrand]

not only did Favre go 3-7, but all the losses were entirely his fault. And based on his two regular season appearances and preseason outings, Rodgers will certainly be better.

I was looking at the game log of the 04 MIN game.

3 straight possessions in the 4th quarter:

INT
3-and-out on a 3rd and 4
INT

Score remained the same after all three possesions, that is MIN didn't score, that is, it would have been easy to comeback.

And of course you remember that Clifton and Walker were lost to injury in that game, and that essentially no one was open. But those injuries, wrong routes, poor running game were Favre's fault too, because he just didn't call the right audibles and alert his WR and LT to oncoming injuries. It angers me to think of Favre not protecting his players. Like in 2002, when he allowed 9 starters to get injured by the Wild card game.

[Pacopete4]

How many QB's have played 9 games in the playoffs since 1998?

[MadtownPacker]

Since 1998:

3-7
20 turnovers
1 Super Bowl loss
2 NFCCG losses

You are really turning out to be nothing but a troll in Packers clothing. Can people have a discussion without you spamming crap at them? Check yourself before you get checked.

Packerblues - If you are reading this, it's too late.

[HarveyWallbangers]

How many QB's have played 9 games in the playoffs since 1998?

Actually, how many QBs are still around from 1998?

Brady has played 17 (14-3).
Manning has played 14 (7-7).
McNabb has played 12 (7-5).
Warner has played 8 (5-3).
Hasselbeck has played 8 (3-5).
Big Ben has played 7 (5-2).

Thinking about the other top QBs in the league, most of them are pretty young and haven't played long enough to accumulate a lot of postseason stats. Favre was one of the best ever, but his playoff results from the last 10 years are the knock against him. Of course, his teams were always in the playoffs, so there's something to be said about that.

[mraynrand]

Since 1998:

3-7
20 turnovers
1 Super Bowl loss
2 NFCCG losses

You are really turning out to be nothing but a troll in Packers clothing. Can people have a discussion without you spamming crap at them? Check yourself before you get checked.

Packerblues - If you are reading this, it's too late.

You banned Packerblues (Tank#3)?

[Partial]

Dude?

You said since 1998. How foolish of me to think that you would count the two wins because it goes against your "facts"

Fine 5-7, wow much better.

How about this...

3-7 in the last 10 playoff games.

Take that year out:

3-6 in last 9.

Anyway you look at it, its terrible.

Not really. I'll take 3-6 over 0-0 any day. Furthermore, they're called the playoffs because the best teams play. 11/12 of the teams in the playoffs lose a game annually, ya know.

Take out the two horrendous performances and the numbers are not very bad at all.

How many times would we have been in the playoffs with a lesser quarterback to lose those games?!? Nobody is itching to throw Romo out despite being 0-2!

Manning - 2007 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2006 - 8 TO, 4-0
- 2005 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 2004 - 3 TO, 1-1
- 2003 - 5 T0, 2-1
- 2002 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2001 - 0 TO, 0-0
- 2000 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 1999 - 3 TO, 0-1
- 1998 - 0 TO, 0-0

Let's see... 1-1 conference championship loss
1 super bowl appearance
23 TO
7-7 record
1.5 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

Brett Favre
2007 - 2 TO, 1-1
2006 - 0 TO, 0-0
2005 - 0 TO, 0-0
2004 - 5 TO, 0-1
2003 - 1 TO, 1-1
2002 - 3 TO, 0-1
2001 - 7 TO, 1-1
2000 - 0 TO, 0-0
1999 - 0 T0, 0-0
1998 - 2 TO, 0-1
1997 - 4 TO, 2-1
1996 - 2 T0, 3-0
1995 - 2 TO, 2-1
1994 - 1 TO, 1-1
1993 - 3 TO, 1-1

2-2 conference championship record
12 - 9 record
32 total turnovers
1.52 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

hmmm... Almost identical stats... Funny how when Favre was on a bad team in recent years, and Peyton was on a bad team in the early years things managed to work out almost evenly.

Accept Favre managed to win some playoff games. His stats would be even better if the first round bye didn't exist!

Both quarterbacks are considered old in quarterback years. Would you not take Peyton Manning over A-Rod either, despite virtually identical # of playoff games per year, and 1.3% less turnovers per game?!? Both are .500 in conference championship games as well. Favre has a better winning percentage in the playoffs, though.

[Partial]

How many QB's have played 9 games in the playoffs since 1998?

Actually, how many QBs are still around from 1998?

Brady has played 17 (14-3).
Manning has played 14 (7-7).
McNabb has played 12 (7-5).
Warner has played 8 (5-3).
Hasselbeck has played 8 (3-5).
Big Ben has played 7 (5-2).

Thinking about the other top QBs in the league, most of them are pretty young and haven't played long enough to accumulate a lot of postseason stats. Favre was one of the best ever, but his playoff results from the last 10 years are the knock against him. Of course, his teams were always in the playoffs, so there's something to be said about that.

Ding ding ding.. And his recent teams haven't been great with the exception of last year. It's very comparable to some of the bad teams Manning took a team to the playoffs with. And look at that... virtually identical stats.. from two of the best ever... yet one takes all the criticism... despite both being old for QBs nowadays.

[GrnBay007]

not only did Favre go 3-7, but all the losses were entirely his fault. And based on his two regular season appearances and preseason outings, Rodgers will certainly be better.

[Pacopete4]

Dude?

You said since 1998. How foolish of me to think that you would count the two wins because it goes against your "facts"

Fine 5-7, wow much better.

How about this...

3-7 in the last 10 playoff games.

Take that year out:

3-6 in last 9.

Anyway you look at it, its terrible.

Not really. I'll take 3-6 over 0-0 any day. Furthermore, they're called the playoffs because the best teams play. 11/12 of the teams in the playoffs lose a game annually, ya know.

Take out the two horrendous performances and the numbers are not very bad at all.

How many times would we have been in the playoffs with a lesser quarterback to lose those games?!? Nobody is itching to throw Romo out despite being 0-2!

Manning - 2007 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2006 - 8 TO, 4-0
- 2005 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 2004 - 3 TO, 1-1
- 2003 - 5 T0, 2-1
- 2002 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2001 - 0 TO, 0-0
- 2000 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 1999 - 3 TO, 0-1
- 1998 - 0 TO, 0-0

Let's see... 1-1 conference championship loss
1 super bowl appearance
23 TO
7-7 record
1.5 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

Brett Favre
2007 - 2 TO, 1-1
2006 - 0 TO, 0-0
2005 - 0 TO, 0-0
2004 - 5 TO, 0-1
2003 - 1 TO, 1-1
2002 - 3 TO, 0-1
2001 - 7 TO, 1-1
2000 - 0 TO, 0-0
1999 - 0 T0, 0-0
1998 - 2 TO, 0-1
1997 - 4 TO, 2-1
1996 - 2 T0, 3-0
1995 - 2 TO, 2-1
1994 - 1 TO, 1-1
1993 - 3 TO, 1-1

2-2 conference championship record
12 - 9 record
32 total turnovers
1.52 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

hmmm... Almost identical stats... Funny how when Favre was on a bad team in recent years, and Peyton was on a bad team in the early years things managed to work out almost evenly.

Accept Favre managed to win some playoff games. His stats would be even better if the first round bye didn't exist!

Both quarterbacks are considered old in quarterback years. Would you not take Peyton Manning over A-Rod either, despite virtually identical # of playoff games per year, and 1.3% less turnovers per game?!? Both are .500 in conference championship games as well. Favre has a better winning percentage in the playoffs, though.

Partial... you the man!

[Partial]

How many QB's have played 9 games in the playoffs since 1998?

Actually, how many QBs are still around from 1998?

Brady has played 17 (14-3).
Manning has played 14 (7-7).
McNabb has played 12 (7-5).
Warner has played 8 (5-3).
Hasselbeck has played 8 (3-5).
Big Ben has played 7 (5-2).

Thinking about the other top QBs in the league, most of them are pretty young and haven't played long enough to accumulate a lot of postseason stats. Favre was one of the best ever, but his playoff results from the last 10 years are the knock against him. Of course, his teams were always in the playoffs, so there's something to be said about that.

These stats are pretty eye opening. Some of the wins are inflated for Roethlisberger as his team came in as a 6 seed. Not to take anything away from it, but it creates the appearance of more playoff appearances since only one team ends up winning

I'm surprised when looking at Hass' stats. I would have expected more success.

[gex]

Very well thought out P.

Unless you win the SB your going to take 1 loss for every time your team makes the playoffs. The entire team needs to be hitting on all cylanders in the playoffs vs the other playoff caliber rosters your going up against.

Damn just to have a winning record in playoff appearances you would have to make it to the championship game every time almost( if you had a bye and didn't play in the wildcard round)

[th87]

not only did Favre go 3-7, but all the losses were entirely his fault. And based on his two regular season appearances and preseason outings, Rodgers will certainly be better.

I was looking at the game log of the 04 MIN game.

3 straight possessions in the 4th quarter:

INT
3-and-out on a 3rd and 4
INT

Score remained the same after all three possesions, that is MIN didn't score, that is, it would have been easy to comeback.

And of course you remember that Clifton and Walker were lost to injury in that game, and that essentially no one was open. But those injuries, wrong routes, poor running game were Favre's fault too, because he just didn't call the right audibles and alert his WR and LT to oncoming injuries. It angers me to think of Favre not protecting his players. Like in 2002, when he allowed 9 starters to get injured by the Wild card game.

Only in Favre land do I always hear about the wrong routes. Our receivers must have been the biggest idiots ever.

(I do agree that not all losses were solely Favre's fault)

[th87]

Dude?

You said since 1998. How foolish of me to think that you would count the two wins because it goes against your "facts"

Fine 5-7, wow much better.

How about this...

3-7 in the last 10 playoff games.

Take that year out:

3-6 in last 9.

Anyway you look at it, its terrible.

Not really. I'll take 3-6 over 0-0 any day. Furthermore, they're called the playoffs because the best teams play. 11/12 of the teams in the playoffs lose a game annually, ya know.

Take out the two horrendous performances and the numbers are not very bad at all.

How many times would we have been in the playoffs with a lesser quarterback to lose those games?!? Nobody is itching to throw Romo out despite being 0-2!

Manning - 2007 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2006 - 8 TO, 4-0
- 2005 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 2004 - 3 TO, 1-1
- 2003 - 5 T0, 2-1
- 2002 - 2 TO, 0-1
- 2001 - 0 TO, 0-0
- 2000 - 0 TO, 0-1
- 1999 - 3 TO, 0-1
- 1998 - 0 TO, 0-0

Let's see... 1-1 conference championship loss
1 super bowl appearance
23 TO
7-7 record
1.5 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

Brett Favre
2007 - 2 TO, 1-1
2006 - 0 TO, 0-0
2005 - 0 TO, 0-0
2004 - 5 TO, 0-1
2003 - 1 TO, 1-1
2002 - 3 TO, 0-1
2001 - 7 TO, 1-1
2000 - 0 TO, 0-0
1999 - 0 T0, 0-0
1998 - 2 TO, 0-1
1997 - 4 TO, 2-1
1996 - 2 T0, 3-0
1995 - 2 TO, 2-1
1994 - 1 TO, 1-1
1993 - 3 TO, 1-1

2-2 conference championship record
12 - 9 record
32 total turnovers
1.52 TOPG
1.4 PGPY

hmmm... Almost identical stats... Funny how when Favre was on a bad team in recent years, and Peyton was on a bad team in the early years things managed to work out almost evenly.

Accept Favre managed to win some playoff games. His stats would be even better if the first round bye didn't exist!

Both quarterbacks are considered old in quarterback years. Would you not take Peyton Manning over A-Rod either, despite virtually identical # of playoff games per year, and 1.3% less turnovers per game?!? Both are .500 in conference championship games as well. Favre has a better winning percentage in the playoffs, though.

Most people don't have an issue with Favre losing.

They have an issue with HOW the Packers did the losing.

- 6 interception debacle against the Rams
- Crappy showing against the Falcons (lots of injuries though)
- Inexplicable chuck to Brian Dawkins (this didn't need to happen, regardless of 4th and 26 defense)
- No show against the Vikings (remember the 'give up' pass past the line of scrimmage?)
- Inaccurate against the Giants

As I always say, Favre giveth and Favre taketh away. If you like that, fine, and if you don't like that, fine.