Best and Worst of Camp

[The Shadow]

I worry about Harris more than I worry about the defensive tackle spot, which will be stoter with Pickett's return.
Harris, to me, looks like a weak link. Would not be surprised to see him lose the starting job a bit later this year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

[SnakeLH2006]

I predicted that the fade by Al Harris was only temporary, and that he would bounce back strong this season. He seems on track for that. Woodson, too, would be expected to still be good. Rodgers also seems to be on track for a good season. He doesn't have to be great, only moderately good, with all the talent around him.

I have not, however, been all that impressed with Brandon Jackson. Oh, he's an OK backup, a good receiver, etc., but the main thing he has shown is how much we need Grant to have a strong running attack. Jackson is ordinary; Grant is extraordinary.

Flynn has done well, and I think could step in if Rodgers went down short term. Brohm hasn't been good, but he has too much potential to give up on. I absolutely do NOT think Thompson should or will bring in some old-timer QB. Even if it isn't by trade and nothing is given up--just a free agent signing, bringing in a vet undoubtedly would mean losing either Brohm or Flynn. I, and probably Ted, think that is too big a price to pay. If Rodgers went down long term and had to go on IR, that might be different, but as of now, WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING VET QB.

I thought so too, but he sure looked his age against bigger stronger receivers in the biggest games last year vs. TO and Burress. I'm sure him and Wood will have good years, but I'm wondering when/if either one of those dudes will go to safety in the next year or so if their speed keeps declining?

[Deputy Nutz]

I worry about Harris more than I worry about the defensive tackle spot, which will be stoter with Pickett's return.
Harris, to me, looks like a weak link. Would not be surprised to see him lose the starting job a bit later this year.

WTF!!! Harris is a weak link? He is getting older, and he has had bad games, that is life as a CB in the NFL. Burris was physical and Harris paid the price by either getting beat, or getting the yellow flag thrown at him. Playing on a frozen field certainly didn't help him either.

Harris is still one of the top 30 CBs in the league, is he Deon Sanders, no, but a weak link on the Packers that might get replaced later in the year? Absolutely not.

[SnakeLH2006]

I worry about Harris more than I worry about the defensive tackle spot, which will be stoter with Pickett's return.
Harris, to me, looks like a weak link. Would not be surprised to see him lose the starting job a bit later this year.

WTF!!! Harris is a weak link? He is getting older, and he has had bad games, that is life as a CB in the NFL. Burris was physical and Harris paid the price by either getting beat, or getting the yellow flag thrown at him. Playing on a frozen field certainly didn't help him either.

Harris is still one of the top 30 CBs in the league, is he Deon Sanders, no, but a weak link on the Packers that might get replaced later in the year? Absolutely not.

I agree Al is still a force..had a couple of bad games, but do we want Bush back there? Easily one of the best CB's in the game EVEN NOW, but he'd be a killa safety in a year or two.

[boiga]

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You've got a point. Still, he was slotted as their #1 WR that game, wasn't he?

I thought so too, but he sure looked his age against bigger stronger receivers in the biggest games last year vs. TO and Burress. I'm sure him and Wood will have good years, but I'm wondering when/if either one of those dudes will go to safety in the next year or so if their speed keeps declining?

TO and Burress can make ANY CB in the league look old. The problem is that our CB's are asked to do more than any other duo in the league. They are left on islands without any help from the safety. The coaches were slow to adapt to the fact that some tall, powerful WR's catching accurate passes on the sidelines can't be beat like that by any one CB. Sometimes even the best need help.

No Bly, Cromartie or anyone would have had a chance in those games the way Plax and TO played those nights.

[SnakeLH2006]

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You've got a point. Still, he was slotted as their #1 WR that game, wasn't he?

I thought so too, but he sure looked his age against bigger stronger receivers in the biggest games last year vs. TO and Burress. I'm sure him and Wood will have good years, but I'm wondering when/if either one of those dudes will go to safety in the next year or so if their speed keeps declining?

TO and Burress can make ANY CB in the league look old. The problem is that our CB's are asked to do more than any other duo in the league. They are left on islands without any help from the safety. The coaches were slow to adapt to the fact that some tall, powerful WR's catching accurate passes on the sidelines can't be beat like that by any one CB. Sometimes even the best need help.

No Bly, Cromartie or anyone would have had a chance in those games the way Plax and TO played those nights.

Umm...I was defending old ass Al. He's still good, but showed limitations (he brought that shit on himself saying he'd go 1-1 with ANYONE..that bullheaded shit fucked him in the end, and Kurt Shittenhemier didn't have the balls to say otherwise during the games)...hope they do now.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You've got a point. Still, he was slotted as their #1 WR that game, wasn't he?

I doubt it.

[mraynrand]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

[boiga]

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

Thanks for the reminder Mr Rand. I remembered him kicking the ass of the Lions' best receiver and for some reason assumed it was Johnson. Good memories though: that was a great game.

[Partial]

I worry about Harris more than I worry about the defensive tackle spot, which will be stoter with Pickett's return.
Harris, to me, looks like a weak link. Would not be surprised to see him lose the starting job a bit later this year.

WTF!!! Harris is a weak link? He is getting older, and he has had bad games, that is life as a CB in the NFL. Burris was physical and Harris paid the price by either getting beat, or getting the yellow flag thrown at him. Playing on a frozen field certainly didn't help him either.

Harris is still one of the top 30 CBs in the league, is he Deon Sanders, no, but a weak link on the Packers that might get replaced later in the year? Absolutely not.

People seem to forget that Burris is... a good receiver! He did, after all, school Asante Samual for the go-ahead TD in the super bowl on one ankle.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

[Partial]

I definitely agree that the proven commodity in RW is better at this point than CJ. CJ has tons of potential. Potential and production are two very different things though.

[mraynrand]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

You were off base because you didn't address the issue at hand - just handed out insults as usual. Harris covered their best receiver, as the post suggested. he just got the receivers confused. Now let's hear some more insults shall we.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

You were off base because you didn't address the issue at hand - just handed out insults as usual. Harris covered their best receiver, as the post suggested. he just got the receivers confused. Now let's hear some more insults shall we.

What insult? Get off the crack pipe.

Sorry, he asserted the CJ was the best receiver...that is what i contested. I could care less who harris covered or how well he did. The point was that CJ was their best receiver..he wasn't and isn't.