Best and Worst of Camp

[mraynrand]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

You were off base because you didn't address the issue at hand - just handed out insults as usual. Harris covered their best receiver, as the post suggested. he just got the receivers confused. Now let's hear some more insults shall we.

What insult? Get off the crack pipe.

Sorry, he asserted the CJ was the best receiver...that is what i contested. I could care less who harris covered or how well he did. The point was that CJ was their best receiver..he wasn't and isn't.

I know. You made that point. But you were off base because you didn't address the point he was trying to make about Al Harris. Saying you were off base wasn't a criticism, just a fact of the exchange.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

You were off base because you didn't address the issue at hand - just handed out insults as usual. Harris covered their best receiver, as the post suggested. he just got the receivers confused. Now let's hear some more insults shall we.

What insult? Get off the crack pipe.

Sorry, he asserted the CJ was the best receiver...that is what i contested. I could care less who harris covered or how well he did. The point was that CJ was their best receiver..he wasn't and isn't.

I know. You made that point. But you were off base because you didn't address the point he was trying to make about Al Harris. Saying you were off base wasn't a criticism, just a fact of the exchange.

Can't address Harris because I don't recall the game nor did i want to research it. I can only work with the information presented.

[Noodle]

I saw some great footage from directly behind the line of Grant squeezing through some tiny creases last year. He hit them really quick too. I think the guy is the real deal, and will be worth more than what Ted paid him.

SC, I agree with you that Grant has it going on, I really respect the guy, and I'd have loved to have seen the "back's perspective" footage you saw.

(As an aside, friggin TV could do so much better to open our eyes as to what RBs and QBs actually see, but instead they rely almost exclusively on the side shot. Lazy bastards.)

What I don't buy is how a lot of folks dump on BJack because he seems "hesitant." You'd be hesitant too if you saw the Red Sea collapsing all around you.

[bobblehead]

Did Harris really fade? Or does he just struggle with big physical receivers?

I'd agree with that. Al Harris game is all based around out muscling receivers at the line. However, there are 3 or 4 guys in the league that can beat Al out in a show of strength, pound for pound. Plaxico and TO fit that bill.

However, there are also the guys who are all speed but no strength that Al just beats down. Remember Calvin Johnson being thrown on his back last Thanksgiving? Al just removed the Lions best receiver from that game. No one else can do that.

Get off the crack pipe. Johnson isn't the Lion's best receiver. I think a receiver with 4 years experience and a pro bowl qualifies as that...over a rookie.

You're both a little off-base on this one. Al Harris spent most of his time shutting down the Lions' number one receiver, Roy Williams. The Lions DID game plan to go to the Rookie, and they threw a lot in his direction. he did better in the second half than the first, in which he had a number of drops.

I'm not off base. Johnson wasn't their best receiver. I never said who covered who.

You were off base because you didn't address the issue at hand - just handed out insults as usual. Harris covered their best receiver, as the post suggested. he just got the receivers confused. Now let's hear some more insults shall we.

What insult? Get off the crack pipe.

Sorry, he asserted the CJ was the best receiver...that is what i contested. I could care less who harris covered or how well he did. The point was that CJ was their best receiver..he wasn't and isn't.

I know. You made that point. But you were off base because you didn't address the point he was trying to make about Al Harris. Saying you were off base wasn't a criticism, just a fact of the exchange.

Can't address Harris because I don't recall the game nor did i want to research it. I can only work with the information presented.

I've got nothing to contribute, but I wanted in on this awesome big quote box.

[The Gunshooter]

I worry about Harris more than I worry about the defensive tackle spot, which will be stoter with Pickett's return.
Harris, to me, looks like a weak link. Would not be surprised to see him lose the starting job a bit later this year.

WTF!!! Harris is a weak link? He is getting older, and he has had bad games, that is life as a CB in the NFL. Burris was physical and Harris paid the price by either getting beat, or getting the yellow flag thrown at him. Playing on a frozen field certainly didn't help him either.

Harris is still one of the top 30 CBs in the league, is he Deon Sanders, no, but a weak link on the Packers that might get replaced later in the year? Absolutely not.

I agree Al is still a force..had a couple of bad games, but do we want Bush back there? Easily one of the best CB's in the game EVEN NOW, but he'd be a killa safety in a year or two.

If Harris can't play zone , he can't play safety.