Favre talks again..

[esoxx]

I really like what Nutz posted leading page 2 of this thread. Except calling anyone here bitches. I understand why people get annoyed at the comments.

Trying my best to think like Patler, I looked at the comments and the timing trying to grasp the what, why and how of the comments.

What: Brett really wants to mess up TT and M3 legacy in Green Bay. I believe that he secretly wants A-Rod to be a huge disaster, despite what he claims.

Why: Revenge. The way Brett has told it, Brett was available to TT during the 4-12, 8-8 years at TT's pleading. TT has confirmed he lobbied Brett hard to come back in those years.

And it's undeniable that Brett's contribution to 13-3 was gigantic, but M3 gets 99% credit, almost getting M3 a COTY trophy and, indeed landing TT an EOTY trophy.

So, when Brett changed his mind on retirement, he felt TT and M3 owed him. TT for being there during the drought and M3 for rocket starting his HC career.

At least in Brett's perception in my mind. And, despite what Brett says, I believe he doesn't care too much for A-Rod.

How: Continue to remind GB fans with anecdotes on little details, continue to heap pressure on A-Rod ("barring injury") at timely moments. And on Jets' game days, he will play lights out to remind everyone "if you were a betting man, who would you have bet on".

I don't believe this is a hick running his mouth just to grab attention. I believe this is a man who is defending his honour, coldly, with calculation and single-minded purpose.

Ironically, the additional motivation provided to Brett by M3 and TT might be just what the Jets have needed for so long!

Great post

[esoxx]

Favre is making TO look sane. Interesting comments from the Pro Football Talk link :

And you are making Tank look sane. What is the point of dragging other forum users remarks into this one. Anyone could find quotes praising Favre or bashing TT but that wouldn't appear to be a good idea either.

[bobblehead]

I think brett needs to get really mad and play his ass off to get the jets to the playoffs to prove TT wrong.....and get us a 2nd round pick.

[Scott Campbell]

Favre is making TO look sane. Interesting comments from the Pro Football Talk link :

And you are making Tank look sane. What is the point of dragging other forum users remarks into this one. Anyone could find quotes praising Favre or bashing TT but that wouldn't appear to be a good idea either.

I enjoyed em. Bring it on!

[GrnBay007]

Here is the ESPN article with reporters -

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3561440

HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. -- As the tears rolled down his gray-stubbled cheeks, Brett Favre was saying goodbye to football and fighting his persistent doubts.

Even at his retirement news conference in March, he couldn't shake the feeling that he was making a huge mistake.

"I said, 'I might just be writing my career off right now,'" the New York Jets quarterback recalled earlier this week. "I've had 17 great years and there's no guarantee what the future holds, but you won't know unless you take that chance. And I was thinking that."

Nearly six months later, Favre is back on the field -- with the Jets instead of the Green Bay Packers. It's been an improbable whirlwind for the three-time MVP, who talked candidly with reporters about the events surrounding his retirement, his comeback, his bitter divorce from the Packers and joining the Jets.

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said. "No one in that locker room is worried about it. Not once has a guy said, 'Hey, sit down and tell me what happened.' They may want to know or whatever, but we're too busy. And I'm having a blast.

"It's been hard, but, really, I know I made the right decision."

Favre couldn't say the same of his choice to walk away from the game a few weeks after losing the NFC championship game against the New York Giants.

"I knew I wanted to play," the 38-year-old quarterback said. "Everyday I would wake up and say, 'Boy, I'd like to play.' At some point in the day, I'd go, 'Ahh, I don't know.' With each day that passed, I got more and more committed to do it, and that was all I was looking for from Day 1.

"As time passed by, I said, 'You know, I've still got the fire.'"

Favre appeared completely at ease during the informal 40-minute session, wearing a gray T-shirt and green Jets shorts while sitting casually in a chair in front of about 10 reporters. He cracked jokes at times, but turned serious when he spoke of the events of the last several months.

"I finally got to a point where I was committed, and to me, that includes everything," he said. "I've always considered myself the ultimate teammate, regardless of how I've been portrayed this year."

During the weeks leading to his retirement, Favre said Packers coach Mike McCarthy told him that the team wanted to know what his plans were for this season. Favre had waffled between playing and retiring several times during the previous few offseasons.

"The day I told McCarthy I was going to retire, he said, 'Are you sure?'" Favre recalled. "I said, 'No, I'm not sure, but you want an answer and I'm giving you an answer: I'm not sure.'"

Favre told McCarthy he felt a pull to play but, after 17 seasons, wasn't sure he still had the desire to go through minicamp, OTAs, training camp and other workouts.

"Now, I could've told them, 'All right, I'll come back,' even though at that time, I didn't want to," he said. "And then, July rolls around and we start camp and I go, 'God, I just ain't got it,' and then just walk away. Well, to me, that was worse than saying, 'Guys, if you want an answer right now, I'm just not 100 percent committed, and because of that, I'm retiring.' I was just honest with them."

Favre said he spoke to Packers' general manager Ted Thompson only once during the process, the day after the NFL draft in April.

"I always liked Ted and I don't want to say I dislike him now," he said. "I'm disappointed."

Thompson flew to Favre's Mississippi home, and the quarterback thought the general manager was there to ask him to come back. Instead, Thompson told him that the team was going to do something special for him: dismantle his locker and send it to him.

"That was the craziest thing I ever heard of," Favre said. "What the hell am I going to do with a locker anyway? So, I said, 'OK, Ted, that's great.'"

Thompson left shortly after the conversation, but not before Favre told him he might have reservations about retiring.

"I started getting the impression in May that, 'Boy, I feel like I need to play,'" the quarterback said. "The tough part was how do I get myself out of this jam? And that was before any of this ever came out. I was thinking, 'Boy, this is not going to look good.' ... Finally, I don't know the day, I woke up and said, 'I can't control what people are going to say, so why worry about it?'"

Favre called McCarthy on June 20 and told him that he wanted to come back.

"When he picked up the phone again after he dropped it, he said, 'Oh, God, Brett. You're putting us in a tight spot,'" Favre said. "He said, 'Brett, playing here is not an option.' Those were his exact, exact words."

The Packers made it clear they were moving forward with Aaron Rodgers as their starting quarterback.

"There's no guarantees I come back and I play as well as I did last year, but if you're a betting man and you said, 'OK, who gives us the best chance to win right now?' and this is not bragging, but I would think I would," said Favre, who threw for 4,155 yards and 28 touchdowns last season. "Aaron may play great and then they all look like geniuses, but to not welcome me back -- and I'm just assuming -- for fear of upsetting Aaron, not only now, but in the future, is totally ridiculous. Totally ridiculous."

Favre shot down reports that Thompson and McCarthy had chartered a flight to Mississippi to talk to the quarterback in late March about finalizing his comeback, only to have Favre back out at the last minute. Favre said McCarthy told him they were heading to Orlando, Fla., for the owners' meetings and wanted to stop by to speak with him.

"The next day I told him, 'Mike, don't worry about coming down or dropping by. I still can't commit,'" he said. "They made it sound like they had chartered a plane just to see me and I had made a call and said, 'I'm coming back,' which is not true."

A series of he-said, they-said accusations followed, as did rumors of where Favre might end up. The Packers wouldn't grant Favre his release to become a free agent, but Tampa Bay and the Jets entered the picture as trade partners.

Favre agreed to come to New York after a persuasive conversation with general manager Mike Tannenbaum.

"Mike called me on the phone and I couldn't get him to shut up," he said with a grin, "but he sold me."

Favre has promised the Jets nothing beyond this season. And, he says, none of that matters now, not with the season opener at Miami a week away.

"I didn't want to go anywhere, including Green Bay, and go through a bad season and lose and get beat up and everyone say, 'What the hell did he come back for?'" Favre said. "Now, that could happen here, it could happen in Green Bay and it could happen anywhere. I've always felt like I give whatever team I'm on a good chance to win, but there's way more to it than one guy. ...

"The bottom line was that I wanted to play and I felt like this team had a good chance to win. It would be difficult, as it would be anywhere, but I felt like this would be a good fit for me."

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Believe what you want about Brett Favre. I always appreciated his play and dedication to the game and to the Packers. I don't believe he was the villain in all this as many would like to believe. Good luck to the Packers minus TT (I don't like him) and good luck to Brett Favre with the Jets.

[Scott Campbell]

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said.

It might be over, if he ever decides to stop talking about it. Save a little for the tell all book version.

[Pacopete4]

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said.

It might be over, if he ever decides to stop talking about it. Save a little for the tell all book version.

Freedom of speech.. its a great thing in this country... Brett Favre can say whatever the hell he wants to say, if you have a problem with that... don't listen?... simple as that..

[Cleft Crusty]

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said.

It might be over, if he ever decides to stop talking about it. Save a little for the tell all book version.

Freedom of speech.. its a great thing in this country... Brett Favre can say whatever the hell he wants to say, if you have a problem with that... don't listen?... simple as that..

If Brett Favre spoke, and no one listened, would he make a sound?

[MJZiggy]

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said.

It might be over, if he ever decides to stop talking about it. Save a little for the tell all book version.

Freedom of speech.. its a great thing in this country... Brett Favre can say whatever the hell he wants to say, if you have a problem with that... don't listen?... simple as that..

If Brett Favre spoke, and no one listened, would he make a sound?

Yes. His farts can be heard whether you're listening or not.

[Scott Campbell]

"I think now that I'm here, that part is over and done with," Favre said.

It might be over, if he ever decides to stop talking about it. Save a little for the tell all book version.

Freedom of speech.. its a great thing in this country...

Good point. I almost forgot about that.

[Scott Campbell]

"The day I told McCarthy I was going to retire, he said, 'Are you sure?'" Favre recalled. "I said, 'No, I'm not sure, but you want an answer and I'm giving you an answer: I'm not sure.'"

Favre told McCarthy he felt a pull to play but, after 17 seasons, wasn't sure he still had the desire to go through minicamp, OTAs, training camp and other workouts.

"Now, I could've told them, 'All right, I'll come back,' even though at that time, I didn't want to," he said. "And then, July rolls around and we start camp and I go, 'God, I just ain't got it,' and then just walk away. Well, to me, that was worse than saying, 'Guys, if you want an answer right now, I'm just not 100 percent committed, and because of that, I'm retiring.' I was just honest with them."

We need another conspiracy theory around here.

Did he assume he could just play some mind games to weasel out of the OTA's and early camp responsibilities, and it backfired on him?

[Scott Campbell]

"I've always considered myself the ultimate teammate, regardless of how I've been portrayed this year."

"It's not my job to make him (Rodgers) better."

Yeah, ultimate teammate.

[Pacopete4]

"I've always considered myself the ultimate teammate, regardless of how I've been portrayed this year."

I always thought it was great the way Brett immediately took Aaron under his wing and committed himself to mentoring the young QB. He certainly was the ultimate teammate. I can't believe how unfairly he's being "portrayed".

I just read that Witten told the guy they drafted this season to stop asking him so many question and that sooner or later you have to go out and do it yourself... is he a bad teammate now too?.... I've never heard a complaint about him either...


ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING JOB TO TRAIN THE BACKUP PLAYERS..... IT IS THE COACHES JOB TO DO THAT... THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FUCKING PAID TO DO.... PLAYERS ARE PAID TO PLAY THE MOTHERFUCKING GAMES.... HOW HARD OF A CONCEPT IS THAT?...

[Scott Campbell]

ITS NOT THEIR FUCKING JOB TO TRAIN THE BACKUP PLAYERS..... IT IS THE COACHES JOB TO DO THAT... THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE FUCKING PAID TO DO.... PLAYERS ARE PAID TO PLAY THE MOTHERFUCKING GAMES.... HOW HARD OF A CONCEPT IS THAT?...

Gee - I didn't know that. Has anyone told Aaron?


Rodgers said. “I told both Brian and Matt from the edge that if they have any questions, they have a duty to come to me and I’ll help them in any way I can. Because making them better is making our team better.”

[vince]

But, of course, t's perfectly reasonable for players to tell the GM how he should be going about his job...