Packers Announce Cuts

[Partial]

I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

Keeping an invisible fullback over a skilled third down back when we already have three other equally capable players that can man the emergency full back position instead of keeping a legit and proficient third down back?

They've got a young, skittish quarterback who will be beating teams with short passes and the dump-off to start his career. Why take away an extremely valuable weapon in that exact situation?

I'm perplexed.

[Fritz]

Will this be the third straight year the Packers are the youngest team in the league?

Favre/Davis/Franks out, nine rookies in looks like it could be.

They are actually also the youngest team in NCAA Division I-A...

[Bretsky]

I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

Keeping an invisible fullback over a skilled third down back when we already have three other equally capable players that can man the emergency full back position instead of keeping a legit and proficient third down back?

They've got a young, skittish quarterback who will be beating teams with short passes and the dump-off to start his career. Why take away an extremely valuable weapon in that exact situation?

I'm perplexed.

We were OT away from going to the Super Bowl and we didn't make it work with our best QB. It's hard for me to question letting two marginal backups go.

[Guiness]

How do the PUP rules work? Is Sitton eligeable? He's going to miss 4 games anyways, isn't he?

[pbmax]

Well I can admit at least that I cannot find data to back up my memory that Jackson regained some third down duties after he was inactive for the Raiders game. Morency had four times as many entries in the play by play than Jackson did at the end of the season (9-2).

This does not cover every third down snap, of course. It only counts the number of times one or the other received the ball on a run or pass. Blocking, the main point of contention, is not covered by the NFL gamebooks. Unless someone can find total number of snaps played, this is all I can dig up.

However, I think it is a stretch to call Morency the best in the business at anything. He was available for Samkon Gado. He is not a top of the line anything in the NFL. And Partial's point about Jackson is a good one, its will be up to him to stonewall the LBs on third downs.

For everyone saying Jackson did fine last year, it just goes to show that he wasn't even the third down back. All off-season we've heard about how abysmal his pass blocking is and how he is a liability. Here we've heard about how the coaches rave about Morency's talent as a third down back. He's one of the best in the biz at that.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you look at the roster, there is no need to cut anybody to pick up a long snapper. Even though there is no name listed, the 3 there next to Crosby and Ryan reflects that spot being counted already.

As for keeping the second Fullback, Kuhn and Hall both are excellent special teamers, where Morency, Herron, or whoever might not be. I like the uniqueness of that 2 Fullback set also, where there is symmetry--Grant having the same number ofblockers to either side, so it's harder for the defense to guess and load up one side. The same formation also works well for short passing when maybe 3-7 yards are needed for a first down.

As I understand the PUP list, the guy has to miss six games before coming back, so putting Sitton there might be a good move.

I like this roster as it is--a maximum of flexibility.

[vince]

The Packers will have to cut someone when a long snapper is signed Tex. There are 9 dlinemen on the roster, even though 4to84 counted 8. An article on JSonline indicated that White has already been told he'll likely be cut when that happens.

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,

[pbmax]

Don't think he's eligible, at least according to this partial definition. From VertGame.com

PUP—physically unable to perform—status is used by clubs to protect a player who is relatively seriously injured but who may recover soon enough to play again that same season. It is similar to major league baseball's 60-day disabled list. Contrast this with injured reserve status, where the player is ineligible for the remainder of the season.

A player who is put on the PUP list before the preseason's first roster cutdown (from 80 to 65 players) must remain inactive through the sixth week of the regular season. At that point, he has a three-week practice "window" before he must either return to the 53-man roster or end his season on injured reserve.

How do the PUP rules work? Is Sitton eligeable? He's going to miss 4 games anyways, isn't he?

[Scott Campbell]

The Packers will have to cut someone when a long snapper is signed Tex. There are 9 dlinemen on the roster, even though 4to84 counted 8. An article on JSonline indicated that White has already been told he'll likely be cut when that happens.

I'll bet Mike Stock is pissed.

[vince]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=789335

Currently, the roster contains seven linebackers, but veteran Tracy White understands that he might be waived to make room for the long snapper.

"I'm here but I'm not here," White said. "Ted Thompson called me and said I'm part of the team, whatever. They were telling me different things. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. Monday will probably tell it all."

[oregonpackfan]

Who knows? The Packers may sign a veteran quarterback by Monday's end and maintain a roster of 4 quarterbacks.

[pbmax]

Well, my google fu has failed me and I cannot access the CBA on the nflpa.com site. Wikipedia though, has the following statement:

A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster

My guess is that neither Sitton or Jones are PUP eligible.

[Brohm]

Sitton and Jones are not eligible for the PUP as they were injured in game/practice. My understanding is that PUP - Physically Unable to Perfom is more for injuries sustained in the off-season/injuries that have not recovered from the previous season. As you said, "A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster"
The restrictions are so people cannot stash people on the PUP.

I would think that someone like KGB, who had surgery in off-season for his knee and is still not up to snuff, would be eligible if TT wanted/needed to put him on there. Obviously this would be a huge loss and probably not worth it as he is so close to coming back.

Could be off-base a bit but I think those restrictions are there to prevent people from stashing "reinforcements" at the last cut.

[DonHutson]

I would think that someone like KGB, who had surgury in off-season for his knee and is still not up to snuff, would be eligible if TT wanted/needed to put him on there. Obviously this would be a huge loss and probably not worth it as he is so close to coming back.

That's exactly what they did with Harrell, who injured himself weightlifting.

[pbmax]

Maybe on KGB, but he did practice. Wasn't in a preseason game though.