Did Harrell have his surgery yet?

[Scott Campbell]

What career?...

The one that's paid him more than you'll make in your lifetime.

.......and will make more money than I'll see... pisses me off

[Pacopete4]

What career?...

The one that's paid him more than you'll make in your lifetime.

Being 'Ok' in college does not give him a careen IMO

[Lurker64]

What career?...

DTs (even first round DTs) not doing anything to speak of in their first two seasons in the NFL is actually a fairly common position. It's the second most important position on the field and one of the hardest to draft. Harrell has enough potential (a dirty word, I know) that they're not going to cut him until they're absolutely sure he won't turn it around and make a career out of it.

You have to admit, if you watched line play in the late season, he definitely flashed a little potential in holding the point.

[Scott Campbell]

What career?...

DTs (even first round DTs) not doing anything to speak of in their first two seasons in the NFL is actually a fairly common position. It's the second most important position on the field and one of the hardest to draft. Harrell has enough potential (a dirty word, I know) that they're not going to cut him until they're absolutely sure he won't turn it around and make a career out of it.

You have to admit, if you watched line play in the late season, he definitely flashed a little potential in holding the point.

He adores Brett. He hates Ted. Ted drafted JH. So he hates JH too. There's no point using logic with these sheep.

[Pacopete4]

What career?...

DTs (even first round DTs) not doing anything to speak of in their first two seasons in the NFL is actually a fairly common position. It's the second most important position on the field and one of the hardest to draft. Harrell has enough potential (a dirty word, I know) that they're not going to cut him until they're absolutely sure he won't turn it around and make a career out of it.

You have to admit, if you watched line play in the late season, he definitely flashed a little potential in holding the point.

He adores Brett. He hates Ted. Ted drafted JH. So he hates JH too. There's no talking point using logic with these sheep.

Can you please not make everything about Brett?


I just hate a fat, lazy, injured guy collecting millions of dollars from us, doing jackshit... its sickening

[Joemailman]

what will we lose if we just cut the guy right now.. do we owe him any money? The guy hasn't done anything in the league and probably never will and will make more money than I'll see... pisses me off

Based on this thinking, Ron Wolf should have given up on Mike Flanagan after two years. Flanagan didn't get on the field until his 3rd season because of injuries. Didn't start a game until his 5th. If you think someone has a chance to be really good, it pays to have some patience.

[CaliforniaCheez]

I'm a little skeptical myself. But he better get out there and play. A first round draft pick who has barely seen the field in two years is not good. Let me preemptively say it was different with Aaron Rodgers.

Drafting Brady Quinn (and keeping Corey Williams) looks a lot better option in hindsight than drafting Harrell.

[Lurker64]

Drafting Brady Quinn (and keeping Corey Williams) looks a lot better option in hindsight than drafting Harrell.

Really, I'm convinced that people on this board seriously overrate Corey Williams and/or misunderstand DT play. Corey Williams was great at one thing: inside pass rush. He was mediocre at every other job his position does, notably stopping the run. A DT's responsibility is first and foremost to stop the run inside. His second responsibility is to collapse the pocket so the QB can't step up. Actually "rushing the passer" is a perk, but not a responsibility.

Harrell is a run-stuffing pocket-collapsing DT, but not a pass-rushing DT. Corey Williams is a pass-rushing DT but not a run-stuffing or pocket-collapsing DT. Williams is a perfect DE in the 3-4, but is not a particularly good every day DT in the 4-3.

Just keep reminding yourself that Williams was less good at stopping the run than Colin Cole was last year, after Pickett and Jolly got hurt. Williams is a good guy to have on your roster for the Packers, but he's not a starter in the 4-3 and he's not worth (to us) what he got paid or what he would have gotten paid if he signed the Franchise tender.

[Guiness]

Just keep reminding yourself that Williams was less good at stopping the run than Colin Cole was last year, after Pickett and Jolly got hurt. Williams is a good guy to have on your roster for the Packers, but he's not a starter in the 4-3 and he's not worth (to us) what he got paid or what he would have gotten paid if he signed the Franchise tender.

You had me until the last line. Everything else you said I agree with. He was most certainly worth what he would've gotten for the Franchise tender in any case, but when you factor in our cap situation, and that we're down to 3 healthy DT's, he was easily worth it.

[Zool]

In our scheme, the DT's are actually supposed to occupy all 3 interior lineman to let the LB's flow free to the ball. Williams is a great nickel DT, but like Lurk said, not great at occupying blockers in the run game. He'll probably do well in a 3-4 opposite the rush OLB.

[Bretsky]

Drafting Brady Quinn (and keeping Corey Williams) looks a lot better option in hindsight than drafting Harrell.

Really, I'm convinced that people on this board seriously overrate Corey Williams and/or misunderstand DT play. Corey Williams was great at one thing: inside pass rush. He was mediocre at every other job his position does, notably stopping the run. A DT's responsibility is first and foremost to stop the run inside. His second responsibility is to collapse the pocket so the QB can't step up. Actually "rushing the passer" is a perk, but not a responsibility.

Harrell is a run-stuffing pocket-collapsing DT, but not a pass-rushing DT. Corey Williams is a pass-rushing DT but not a run-stuffing or pocket-collapsing DT. Williams is a perfect DE in the 3-4, but is not a particularly good every day DT in the 4-3.

Just keep reminding yourself that Williams was less good at stopping the run than Colin Cole was last year, after Pickett and Jolly got hurt. Williams is a good guy to have on your roster for the Packers, but he's not a starter in the 4-3 and he's not worth (to us) what he got paid or what he would have gotten paid if he signed the Franchise tender.

He had the most sacks of any DT the past couple years
He is far more valuable than Colin Cole; I'm not even sure I'd agree that Cole was better as a run stuffer.

I don't view Williams as being remotely dominant; against the run he was below average. But don't fool yourself into thinking we will not greatly miss him. We don't have a guy equivalent to what he offers on the field right now.

[Zool]

I don't view Williams as being remotely dominant; against the run he was below average. But don't fool yourself into thinking we will not greatly miss him. We don't have a guy equivalent to what he offers on the field right now.

Cullen Jenkins.

[Bretsky]

I don't view Williams as being remotely dominant; against the run he was below average. But don't fool yourself into thinking we will not greatly miss him. We don't have a guy equivalent to what he offers on the field right now.

Cullen Jenkins.

Don't buy it; Jenkins showed some effectiveness at the end but did not show the burst/penetration off the ball when he was at DT. He was just a guy. I always thought he was alright; a nice fill in at DT. At DE he showed us he could be better two years ago. Hopefully it was injuries that held him back last year.

[Zool]

Cullen is better at stopping the run, not as much of a pass rusher though. Then again did he really get to line up next to Pickett much?

[Bretsky]

Cullen is better at stopping the run, not as much of a pass rusher though. Then again did he really get to line up next to Pickett much?

Then I fall back to the statement of not having a guy remotely equivalent; we need to find a guy who can penetrate against the pass like Williams.

I agree Cullen is slightly better against the run, but he's not dominant either. Plus we can't leave KGB against the run so Jenkins needs to stay on the outside.

I don't think Willaims is a superstar by any means; I was for them getting a 2nd for him. Not crazy about the backup QB for him....but time will tell.

With that being said, our DL is definitely less talented w/o him.