Where are the A-Rod Haters? -- Regular Season 1

[Pacopete4]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

Again... please be smart enough to know that Super Bowls are won as a TEAM... 53 men or more that come together over as grueling of a season as you can get in pro sports. MVP's are won by an individual, and a lot of times not even the best individual, that plays out of their minds for 16 games and separates them self on PERSONAL achievements....

[MadtownPacker]

Isn't this what we begged Favre to do so much? Check down?

Yes, but that's not the point. Last night Rodgers did his part of a team effort. He didn't win the game for us. He wasn't asked to either, so that is no fault of his.

But eventually we are going to need that 4th quarter drive. Until Rodgers wins a couple of games by the strength of his arm, he won't (and shouldn't) get the major respect. I think he can do it, but he has to prove it to the world.

How do you know on the last drive, instead of checking down to Driver, Favre doesn't sling a pick?

Is there any reason other than to start shit that you bring up Favre? This was ARod's night, let's keep the conversation, good or bad, about him.

[Scott Campbell]

And the fact that he was a 1st round pick.

Big deal. So was Ryan Leaf.

You guys are just being greedy if you're going to insist on MVP play from your QB. By that standard Brett was a failure in 14 of his 17 seasons.

[mission]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

Again... please be smart enough to know that Super Bowls are won as a TEAM... 53 men or more that come together over as grueling of a season as you can get in pro sports. MVP's are won by an individual, and a lot of times not even the best individual, that plays out of their minds for 16 games and separates them self on PERSONAL achievements....

PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS... you got it! and Brett won 3 of them and holds every record in every book in every ... you get it.

I wont be like JH (whatever that means, dont follow along TOO closely), but I think the division on this forum during the offseason was "we just need to play mistake free football" versus "brett is the greatest ever, how could anyone compare"

both valid arguments but i think last night was a point for the guys on my side of the offseason discussions. he didnt do anything that made people go OMG DID YOU SEE THAT THAT UNDERHAND PASS IS VINTAGE A-ROD!!! but he played sound, didnt turn it over and got the job done when needed.

[boiga]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

Do you have any doubt that if Rodgers has the skills to be MVP, we won't win the super bowl? This team is ready as it stands and if Rodgers can be more than a system QB, we'll have a couple more Lombardi trophies down the line.

And like Mad said, this has nothing to do with Favre. I just want Rodgers to reach his full potential. Last night was the START of that process, not the end point. He can play better than he did last night and will have to if he's gonna get that championship you are talking about.

[Pacopete4]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

Again... please be smart enough to know that Super Bowls are won as a TEAM... 53 men or more that come together over as grueling of a season as you can get in pro sports. MVP's are won by an individual, and a lot of times not even the best individual, that plays out of their minds for 16 games and separates them self on PERSONAL achievements....

PERSONAL ACHIEVEMENTS... you got it! and Brett won 3 of them and holds every record in every book in every ... you get it.

I wont be like JH (whatever that means, dont follow along TOO closely), but I think the division on this forum during the offseason was "we just need to play mistake free football" versus "brett is the greatest ever, how could anyone compare"

both valid arguments but i think last night was a point for the guys on my side of the offseason discussions. he didnt do anything that made people go OMG DID YOU SEE THAT THAT UNDERHAND PASS IS VINTAGE A-ROD!!! but he played sound, didnt turn it over and got the job done when needed.

I get that.. But I just cant stand rating QB's on super bowl wins... Brady couldn't hold Marinos jock and I HATE Marino... but since he has 3 SB's a lot will tell me that he's better... NO NO NO... the Patriots teams than their opposing teams during a certain season.. that doesn't mean the QB was better

[Scott Campbell]

Do you have any doubt that if Rodgers has the skills to be MVP, we won't win the super bowl?

Absolutely, I have doubts. We didn't win it last year with our MVP at QB.

And then there's the injury wildcard. Our O-Line questions. Our DT situation. And those other 31 teams might have something to say about it too.

[Scott Campbell]

Brady couldn't hold Marinos jock.

I'd rather hold Brady's rings than Marino's jock. But that's just me.

[Scott Campbell]

Forget completion %, M3 needs to let ARod fly. The big plays are just waiting to happen.

You have some Al Davis in you.

[boiga]

You guys are just being greedy if you're going to insist on MVP play from your QB. By that standard Brett was a failure in 14 of his 17 seasons.

Yes we are being greedy. We have a young talented QB who hasn't peaked yet, so what's wrong with hoping that he develops into a world class quarterback?

Do you have any doubt that if Rodgers has the skills to be MVP, we won't win the super bowl?

Absolutely, I have doubts. We didn't win it last year with our MVP at QB.

And then there's the injury wildcard. Our O-Line questions. Our DT situation. And those other 31 teams might have something to say about it too.

If Rodgers develops like I hope he will, we'll win a Super Bowl sometime in the next five years. Brady and Peyton each carried their team through and I want Rodgers to do the same for us. Sure it's a lot to ask, but have you seen anything showing he can't deliver?

[ahaha]

he didnt do anything that made people go OMG DID YOU SEE THAT THAT UNDERHAND PASS IS VINTAGE A-ROD!!! but he played sound, didnt turn it over and got the job done when needed.

Did you miss his touchdown pass?

[mission]

he didnt do anything that made people go OMG DID YOU SEE THAT THAT UNDERHAND PASS IS VINTAGE A-ROD!!! but he played sound, didnt turn it over and got the job done when needed.

Did you miss his touchdown pass?

Did you miss the rest of this thread?

It was a pass. Overhand. Forward. Spiral. Perfect.

Not some triple 360 spin move left-handed underhand wobbler that makes the entire crowd say "oh shit" before a collective sigh of relief.

But thanks for absolutely nothing.

[Gunakor]

But he'll never be the MVP.

I'll take 3 Superbowls and 0 MVPs over 1 Super Bowl and 3 MVPs.

Again... please be smart enough to know that Super Bowls are won as a TEAM... 53 men or more that come together over as grueling of a season as you can get in pro sports. MVP's are won by an individual, and a lot of times not even the best individual, that plays out of their minds for 16 games and separates them self on PERSONAL achievements....

You are correct, Super Bowls are team achievements. And really, that's all that matters is the team. Personal achievements should only matter to the person achieving them. Whether Rodgers is ever MVP or not should only matter to Rodgers himself. Whether he leads this team to a Super Bowl or not should be what matters to the rest of us.

[Gunakor]

Do you have any doubt that if Rodgers has the skills to be MVP, we won't win the super bowl? This team is ready as it stands and if Rodgers can be more than a system QB, we'll have a couple more Lombardi trophies down the line.

I'm actually hoping that even if Rodgers does NOT have the skills to be MVP that this team is good enough to win a Super Bowl anyway. Personal achievements mean nothing to me. Team achievements are all that really matters.

[ahaha]

he didnt do anything that made people go OMG DID YOU SEE THAT THAT UNDERHAND PASS IS VINTAGE A-ROD!!! but he played sound, didnt turn it over and got the job done when needed.

Did you miss his touchdown pass?

Did you miss the rest of this thread?

It was a pass. Overhand. Forward. Spiral. Perfect.

Not some triple 360 spin move left-handed underhand wobbler that makes the entire crowd say "oh shit" before a collective sigh of relief.

But thanks for absolutely nothing.

Talk about nitpicking. I guess I missed the "underhand".
If Favre had juked a guy, thrown off his back foot, as he's getting tackled, partially thrown sideways, through two defenders, then yes people would say that.
I was at a Viking bar, full of purple rubes who had been laughing at A-Rod. After that throw I heard of lot of "Holy Shit!", "Wow", and "that was Favre-ish"