Al Harris might hold out training camp.

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Carroll could be your second starting cornerback!

[Rastak]

Ras,

we all said the same thing about Walker, though.

He (Walker) HAD leverage. Last year of contract, GB was weak at receiever. By signing Woodson they could withstand Harris holding out. I think Harris has much less leverage for a number of reasons. Age, contract length, and GB's depth chart.

GB's depth chart consist of Woodson who havent finised a season in at least 3 years and "let me grab you" Caroll who cant start on any NFL team. I think he has more leverage than fans may think. All this stuff you guys are saying was also said about McKinzie, and Walker. They both got what they wanted.

I think Woodson will be ok. They will be weaker without Harris but Carroll actually played decently last year. GB has some young guys who could improve this year also. Plus, when rebuilding having two bad years in a row is a good thing. The fans hate it but it should be good in the long run.

[Spaulding]

I liked Tony's earlier post of potentially conceding some money tied to new incentives.

Based on the fact pretty much everyone in this thread agrees he is underpaid but signed a contract and should honor it, I see little risk to the Packers to including bonus money if he makes the pro-bowl and/or hits other career year incentives (i.e. 8 picks, 25 passes defended, etc.) along with a little more guaranteed money to include maybe next year's salary.

The guy has been a class act so far for the Pack and although I don't agree with the whole "I gotz to take care of my family and a few mil a year just ain't enough" - you have to admit in any workplace environment you'd be PO'd if the guy doing the same job next to you was making 2 to 3 times your salary.

With all this being said, if he flat out doesn't attend mandatory training camp with good will in mind then I recant my statements above and tell him to piss off.

[packrulz]

Carroll only had a couple penalties in the 2nd half of the season last year so he is improving. If he's cocky I think that's part of playing CB, you need to be, as long as you don't draw a flag. I think Harris is being paid average, if he wants to bitch that's fine, but I'd think he's a fool if he holds out. I'm suprised he didn't mention Driver's new contract. The Pack will be lucky to go 8-8 this year anyway. Go ahead Harris, hold out, TT will save some cash.

[Joemailman]

Does anyone know how much of a bonus he has left? We have his services cheap this year, and they continually increase until the end of the contract from here on out. I'd have no problems with cutting him after this season if his bonus is low enough. Chuck and Harris are temporary until Carroll, Hawkins, or Blackmon can step up, and I am confident one of those three will.

I don't think I'm being overzealous when I say we have a lot to look forward to at that position in the future. Blackmon, Hawkins, Horton and Carroll are all young and have shown flashes. Lets hope two of 'em can put it all together!!

After this season, Harris will have 2.625 million of his signing bonus left to be pro-rated. Can't imagine TT cutting him though. If things can't be worked out, Harris certainly has trade value.

[Homer Jay]

Start fining him from day one. Look into getting some of the signing bonus back for breaking the contract. Hope Carroll comes around.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I still don't think Walker had a whole lot of leverage. I think he left town because it benefited the Packers to get the pick and perform miracles with it. If he had decided to pull his crap after the draft, I think he'd have wound up with splinters in his behind.

Walker would have been fine with sitting on the bench and fulfilling his obligation with Green Bay. His leg isn't gonna be recovered in 2006 anyhow.

Wist posted somewhere that he thought the PAckers got short end of the stick in the Walker trade.

Packers got exactly what Walker is worth on the market. And trying to force Walker to play for Green Bay with the 2007 franchise tag just would lead to more bleeding. Thompson cut losses, best move available.

[Scott Campbell]

Funny how Karma works.

Yeah, funny.

Carolina did not match the offer for Manning, who was arrested for suspicion of assault Sunday night in Los Angeles after an altercation at a restaurant.

[Scott Campbell]

I liked Tony's earlier post of potentially conceding some money tied to new incentives.

That's like giving money to kidnappers. You'll just encourage others to do the same thing. The Al Harris situation is set up perfectly for the Packers to make a stand. Give him nothing. Nada. Zip.

We can limp along with Carroll far better than Al can limp along without his paycheck or his starting job if he pulls a Rosenhammy.

What's Al gonna do - sit till the end of the 09 season? Al's older and has many more years left on his contract than Walker did. He has far less leverage.

[woodbuck27]

Al Harris's language is clear. He got it clearly out that he's upset that the Packers are now, in his estimate, underpaying him in his current contract. He feels his ability to play the CB position in Green Bay isn't being recognized in accordance with the ink he gets, that holds him in high regard throughout league circles. Some rag rated him as the 12th best CB in the NFL. Funny but in Green Bay, a contract, may only be re-worked if you get out on the field and continue to demonstrate your REAL value, not proclaim such at poolside in Florida. I was missing your leadership and excellent ability and attitude in the OTA's.Why Al?

Al Harris feels that players such as Woodson and Kampman are getting far more than he, and he's as a result upset. His Contract doesn't pay him enough.He'll wait till the start of TC and see if TT shows him the money or he'll explore other options.

What options Al? Some screen testing for a hollywood movie? You'd certainly fill the bill in some 'Cry a River for Me' script.

Al Harris 'only wants to be treated fairly'.

"Gee Al - the fact that your now 32 year's old and have 'a CONTRACT' that runs another 4 years, isn't fair enough for you, at remaining base salaries of $1.5 million this year, $2.2 million in 2007, $2.85 million in 2008 and $3 million in 2009? Geeee."

"Oh now more light is shed on the matter. I see, 'it's all about the Family' now. . . and you'd like the money in those final two years ASAP, like soon . . .Oh this season. mmmmmm I'm getting it now Al."

"Well Al, I don't like your chances Ole Sod. Oh right . . .but you'll likely not show up at the start of TC . . . . unless something gives. Got ya."

"Sorry maan. . . but we're going to miss you Al, until someone steps up and takes your coveted place at right CB, and we hear from you, that you really love Green Bay,your teammates, the game and can't wait to get back with the team that YOU signed a CONTRACT, with at a rate of pay that certainly satisfied you at that time."

Now . . .what exactly are those options, that you may explore in your future Al, if you violate your contract with the Packers? I'm sure the Packers GM can explain to you the Packer Options, if you arn't back on the job at the end of July. Maybe you might advise your agent to talk to TT soon. Your saying way over the top too much, to stand you in any graces with 'the Packers'.

[Joemailman]

I sure am glad that Carrol is looking good in camp, he may have a job now.

I think the fact that Carroll is making strides in the right direction may be pushing Harris to make this move. Harris may have figured out this may be the last year the Packers will need him as a starter. Therefore, if he doesn't get the money now, he never will. Of course, if this is the case, Harris' problem is that Ted Thompson undoubtedly has figured it out as well.

[Scott Campbell]

I sure am glad that Carrol is looking good in camp, he may have a job now.

I think the fact that Carroll is making strides in the right direction may be pushing Harris to make this move. Harris may have figured out this may be the last year the Packers will need him as a starter. Therefore, if he doesn't get the money now, he never will. Of course, if this is the case, Harris' problem is that Ted Thompson undoubtedly has figured it out as well.

Or maybe he's worried (as others have speculated) that he's lost a step. Cash in now, or don't cash in at all.

[falco]

Harris played pretty subpar the last few games of the season, if anyone remembers. He was great the rest of the time though.

The problem is he really is screwed. With 4 years to go on his contract, I can't see him sitting out, I can't see the deal getting reworked, and I can't see a trade coming. Any one of those sets a bad precedent.

[ny10804]

I sure am glad that Carrol is looking good in camp, he may have a job now.

I think the fact that Carroll is making strides in the right direction may be pushing Harris to make this move. Harris may have figured out this may be the last year the Packers will need him as a starter. Therefore, if he doesn't get the money now, he never will. Of course, if this is the case, Harris' problem is that Ted Thompson undoubtedly has figured it out as well.

Or maybe he's worried (as others have speculated) that he's lost a step. Cash in now, or don't cash in at all.

Alshinard isn't in the best situation. At 31, his best days are behind hime, and after next year, he will begin his decline (or is it declination? or is that even a word?). His contract will end when he is 35, and he will not be getting any good offers (nor will he deserve at that point), combined with retirement lurking as old CBs have little or no place in the NFL.

All in all, it's now/next offseason or never. Unless he gets a bonus, he will never again command a significant deal.

I say give him a moderate bonus -- 250,000 -- as well as playing/Pro Bowl incentives. Pay the man! I could wait a couple more years till Ahmad is back in the starting lineup!

[Scott Campbell]

I say give him a moderate bonus -- 250,000 -- as well as playing/Pro Bowl incentives. Pay the man! I could wait a couple more years till Ahmad is back in the starting lineup!

Again. That's like giving money to kidnappers. You'll just encourage others to do the same thing.

Let the other players know that you'll only end up hurting yourself if you hold out.