NFC North - A new overview

[K-town]

[Well since none of those players are on the packers squad or in the NFC north, maybe you should think of anothre reason why the Bears wont blow this division wide open. and keep in mind all those yarsd mean nothing if they shut you down wen it counts. Ask any team in the NFl and they will agree. 325 yards but got your QB killed each time and with a lost....I would keep that to myself and shoot myself if I ever mention it again.

Some othre reasons, then:
*McCown and Kitna in Detroit, instead of Joey Hetherton and Jeff Garcia.
*Brad Johnson in Minnesota, though approximately 200 years old, will be operating behind an improved offensive line, with a head coach who has a triple-digit IQ.
*Green Bay still has the best QB in the division, and will improve almost by default.
Now, I realize the offensive juggernaut that Bears field each Sunday will be ringing up the scoreboard with 7, 10 and 13 point outbursts, but seriously - how long can you rely on your defense and special teams to score for you?
The 325 yards per game I mentioned just showed the rest of the league how overrated the Bear defense was. Speaking of getting our QB killed, isn't it time for Grossman to be shelved for the year with that infected hangnail?
BTW, are you going to shoot yourself when daBears get bounced in the first round of the playoffs AGAIN?

[The Shadow]

"......yep, the Bears suck."

I knew, dasuckiestbear, that someday you would get SOMETHING right!
You finally did it!
Good boy.

[Bossman641]

I live in ILL and I watch the Bears nearly every week. i'm very familiar with their roster, here's my take.
well you must not be paying close attention..

QB I honestly think it's too soon to proclaim Grossman the real deal. For all the savior talk he gets from Bear fans, he's still only played in 8 games in his career. 4 Td's, 6 Int's, and a 54% completion rate. He also has 5 fumbles in those 8 games. Turner does call the game very differently when Grossman is in the game though. The threat alone of throwing the deep ball changes their offense completely.
I havent proclaimed Grossman as the starter. I said the QB possition with him and Griese is the best they have had in 20 years. That in effect means that is an improvement in that area.

RB I like Thomas Jones alot. He runs hard, can catch the ball, and doesn't fumble. Adrian Peterson is a nice change of pace back. I still think that Benson was a wasted pick last year but it's too early to say for sure. There's only so many carries to go around.
Once again the validity in the statements you make are so flawed its ridiculous. The Bears have a 1300 yd back in Jones, and the top rusher from college in Benson. Please tell me how Beson was a wasted pick? He averaged over 4.5 yds per game when he did touch the ball last year and would have had more if it wasnt for Jones shining so much. Peterson just produces every chance he gets and he is the 3rd RB on the depth chart! RB possition is probaly the deepest and most secure on the team. Give true logic behind your statments next time.

WR Honestly, their WR do not scare me. I understand Moose had fewer opportunities with Orton at the helm, but he had A LOT of drops last year. He'll give you 70 or so catches and 7-8 TD's but he is getting up there in age. You never know when he'll lose the marginal amount of speed that he has. They were waiting for Gage to step up all last year, didn't happen. Bradley had 1 good game last year before he got injured, too soon to proclaim him a capable starter. Berrian can stretch the field but again, too soon to say he's starter material.

OL Their line is good but Miller, Kreutz, and Brown are getting up there in age. I like Garza but if one your your tackles gets injured and you have to play Qasim Mitchell you are fucked. He is terrible.
Mitchel is not the only backup on the team. and he is solid in the rotation in spelled moments. Still the O-line is more solid than anything in the NFC north.

DL I really like this position. The ends are good and Idonije is a good backup. Tommie Harris is a beast and they have a good roation at DT. Haynes hasn't lived up to his draft position though. Why is that?
Hmmm, if you have been watching the Bears you would know this answer. He was drafted under Dick Jauron who wanted him to gain weight for there scheme, then Lovie came and wanted him to lose weight for his quick line scheme. He wasnt blasting off da line quick enough so in comes O-gun via trade of Booker, and now Haynes has been moved to DT to make a four man rotation inside that no team can match. Once again a strong point.

LB Urlacher and Briggs, what can I say. All the other LB has to do is not make mental mistakes and you'll be fine.
Just like I been saying, and how many teams have one all pro LB not to mention TWO!

CB I don't think Vasher is as good as his numbers indicate. He's not a shutdown guy. Tillman struggled last year, can throw on him all day. Who knows about Manning. I dunno if there will be any disciplinary action.
Tilman has been caught deep before but you cant just throw on him. But he does have problems with elite speedy WR's. The average #1 WR has no chance against him. Vasher may not be as good as his numbers indicate and like i said before I NEVER SAID HE WAS A SHUTDOWN CB. No CB in the league is. So saying that I will take his numbers over any of your CB numbers anyday since INT's means the other team no longer has the ball and you offense has an extra chance to score. There will be do action taken by the team in regards to manning, they have already said so. In his case the field production is all that matters right now.

S Brown's had injury problems and I've always thought he was a little overrated, still very good though. I thought Harris did a good job for a rookie. That's why I was surprised at the Bear's draft.
Brown is solid period. He would start for any team in the NFC north. Harris was soid for a rookie but he was caught out of possition some times and his recovery speed isnt great if he bites on a play. Enter Manning(the rookie) and his outstanding speed and atheliticism and may the best man win. Once again a soid possition made stronger.

I thought the Bears' draft sucked. Desmond Clark is nothing special and I thought for sure they would target a TE. Manning is coming from a small school. Will he contribute this year? Devin Hester is nothing special as a CB. Sure he can return kicks, but is it really worth a second round pick to grab a returner, especially when you need offensive help.
I thought you said you been watching the Bears? If so you will notice that Lovie said the player that stood out the most and looked outstanding with his catches and improved speed is Clark. Why should they have drafted a TE? which one would have been better than Clark? EXACTLY. "Manning is coming froma small school"....uh, is that all you have to say to disaprove of this pick? I'm sure I dont have to mention how many good to great players came from small schools in the NFL. He will compete for the starting FS possition and may start by week 3. Hester not only returns kicks, he was the best in doing so last year in college. You need to watch clips of this kid, hes pretty much amazing at what he does when he touches the ball. no one can ever cath him if he gets a step on them. And he finds seems that only a slim jim can fit through. Big upgrade from fumble4u Wade. He will come in on Dime Packages and earn his keep. The Bears offensive help was only apparent at QB last year when Orton was tossing the pig skin. The WR's were getting open but he kept throwing into the stands! Grossman came back in the last weeks and moved down the field with no problem. and the Runig game was solid all year even when everyone knew they had to run. So please stop following lead by saying they needed to draft offense when there was no offensive player on the board that would help the team more than the players they took. Anytime a team is not picking in the top half of the draft they more than likely get looked at as having a poor draft cuz they dont pick a player that was on ESPN for months leading up to the Draft.

I have a question for you Baddest Bear. Is Lovie involved with the offense at all, or is that strictly under the control of Turner? Lovie is a good coach although he made some mistakes last year (poor clock management, etc). I like Rivera and thought somebody would pick him up as a coach this offseason. I predict 10-6 or 11-5 for the Bears.
Lovie is involved on both sides of the ball but more so with defense than offense. I do think he made some mistakes on clock management during one game last year. All coaches make mistakes its how they learn how to not make them again is what make them great. Your prediction is what I envision also.

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So because I didn't know what the deal was with Michael Haynes I don't know the Bears? OK, whatever.

According to NFL.com and ESPN Benson had 67 carries for 272 yards, an average of 4.1 yards per carry. Not sure where you're getting this 4.5 yards per carry thing. And I DO think that Jones is a very good back with Pro Bowl potential. I like him alot. That is why I think Benson was a wasted pick. Why not use the #5 pick to get someone at an area of greater need. He sucked in Detroit (because it is Detroit after all) but most Bear fans I know were praying they get Mike Williams. Of course, if Benson turns into the next Larry Johnson to Jones' Priest Holmes I'll take it all back.

And I said their O-line is good, but they are getting up their in age. They could have used one of their second round picks on a linemen to groom as Miller's replacement such as Eric Winston, or Mercedes Lewis, or Chad Jackson, or Jimmy Williams. Hell, if you're so happy about Benson and want to keep loading up on RB's they could have taken DeAngelo Williams. But too late now, I'm sure Gage will FINALLY step up. I'm sure Bradley will play every game for the rest of his life like he did that single game against Detroit. And hey man, if you're happy with Desmond Clark and hs 24 receptions a year good for you.

Did I say Manning wouldn't contribute? NO. I'm asking you how he has been doing so far. I follow the Bears, but not their minicamps and OTA's. Nick Collins came from a small school and did fine for us last year, but pretty much everyone here was surprised at how well he did play. It can certainly be done, but it is a big step forward.

Geez, you act like I bashed every single player on the team. You might be the first Bear fan i've ever talked to who likes Qasim. If you actually think he's solid you're dumber than I thought

[Dabaddestbear]

I live in ILL and I watch the Bears nearly every week. i'm very familiar with their roster, here's my take.
well you must not be paying close attention..

QB I honestly think it's too soon to proclaim Grossman the real deal. For all the savior talk he gets from Bear fans, he's still only played in 8 games in his career. 4 Td's, 6 Int's, and a 54% completion rate. He also has 5 fumbles in those 8 games. Turner does call the game very differently when Grossman is in the game though. The threat alone of throwing the deep ball changes their offense completely.
I havent proclaimed Grossman as the starter. I said the QB possition with him and Griese is the best they have had in 20 years. That in effect means that is an improvement in that area.

RB I like Thomas Jones alot. He runs hard, can catch the ball, and doesn't fumble. Adrian Peterson is a nice change of pace back. I still think that Benson was a wasted pick last year but it's too early to say for sure. There's only so many carries to go around.
Once again the validity in the statements you make are so flawed its ridiculous. The Bears have a 1300 yd back in Jones, and the top rusher from college in Benson. Please tell me how Beson was a wasted pick? He averaged over 4.5 yds per game when he did touch the ball last year and would have had more if it wasnt for Jones shining so much. Peterson just produces every chance he gets and he is the 3rd RB on the depth chart! RB possition is probaly the deepest and most secure on the team. Give true logic behind your statments next time.

WR Honestly, their WR do not scare me. I understand Moose had fewer opportunities with Orton at the helm, but he had A LOT of drops last year. He'll give you 70 or so catches and 7-8 TD's but he is getting up there in age. You never know when he'll lose the marginal amount of speed that he has. They were waiting for Gage to step up all last year, didn't happen. Bradley had 1 good game last year before he got injured, too soon to proclaim him a capable starter. Berrian can stretch the field but again, too soon to say he's starter material.

OL Their line is good but Miller, Kreutz, and Brown are getting up there in age. I like Garza but if one your your tackles gets injured and you have to play Qasim Mitchell you are fucked. He is terrible.
Mitchel is not the only backup on the team. and he is solid in the rotation in spelled moments. Still the O-line is more solid than anything in the NFC north.

DL I really like this position. The ends are good and Idonije is a good backup. Tommie Harris is a beast and they have a good roation at DT. Haynes hasn't lived up to his draft position though. Why is that?
Hmmm, if you have been watching the Bears you would know this answer. He was drafted under Dick Jauron who wanted him to gain weight for there scheme, then Lovie came and wanted him to lose weight for his quick line scheme. He wasnt blasting off da line quick enough so in comes O-gun via trade of Booker, and now Haynes has been moved to DT to make a four man rotation inside that no team can match. Once again a strong point.

LB Urlacher and Briggs, what can I say. All the other LB has to do is not make mental mistakes and you'll be fine.
Just like I been saying, and how many teams have one all pro LB not to mention TWO!

CB I don't think Vasher is as good as his numbers indicate. He's not a shutdown guy. Tillman struggled last year, can throw on him all day. Who knows about Manning. I dunno if there will be any disciplinary action.
Tilman has been caught deep before but you cant just throw on him. But he does have problems with elite speedy WR's. The average #1 WR has no chance against him. Vasher may not be as good as his numbers indicate and like i said before I NEVER SAID HE WAS A SHUTDOWN CB. No CB in the league is. So saying that I will take his numbers over any of your CB numbers anyday since INT's means the other team no longer has the ball and you offense has an extra chance to score. There will be do action taken by the team in regards to manning, they have already said so. In his case the field production is all that matters right now.

S Brown's had injury problems and I've always thought he was a little overrated, still very good though. I thought Harris did a good job for a rookie. That's why I was surprised at the Bear's draft.
Brown is solid period. He would start for any team in the NFC north. Harris was soid for a rookie but he was caught out of possition some times and his recovery speed isnt great if he bites on a play. Enter Manning(the rookie) and his outstanding speed and atheliticism and may the best man win. Once again a soid possition made stronger.

I thought the Bears' draft sucked. Desmond Clark is nothing special and I thought for sure they would target a TE. Manning is coming from a small school. Will he contribute this year? Devin Hester is nothing special as a CB. Sure he can return kicks, but is it really worth a second round pick to grab a returner, especially when you need offensive help.
I thought you said you been watching the Bears? If so you will notice that Lovie said the player that stood out the most and looked outstanding with his catches and improved speed is Clark. Why should they have drafted a TE? which one would have been better than Clark? EXACTLY. "Manning is coming froma small school"....uh, is that all you have to say to disaprove of this pick? I'm sure I dont have to mention how many good to great players came from small schools in the NFL. He will compete for the starting FS possition and may start by week 3. Hester not only returns kicks, he was the best in doing so last year in college. You need to watch clips of this kid, hes pretty much amazing at what he does when he touches the ball. no one can ever cath him if he gets a step on them. And he finds seems that only a slim jim can fit through. Big upgrade from fumble4u Wade. He will come in on Dime Packages and earn his keep. The Bears offensive help was only apparent at QB last year when Orton was tossing the pig skin. The WR's were getting open but he kept throwing into the stands! Grossman came back in the last weeks and moved down the field with no problem. and the Runig game was solid all year even when everyone knew they had to run. So please stop following lead by saying they needed to draft offense when there was no offensive player on the board that would help the team more than the players they took. Anytime a team is not picking in the top half of the draft they more than likely get looked at as having a poor draft cuz they dont pick a player that was on ESPN for months leading up to the Draft.

I have a question for you Baddest Bear. Is Lovie involved with the offense at all, or is that strictly under the control of Turner? Lovie is a good coach although he made some mistakes last year (poor clock management, etc). I like Rivera and thought somebody would pick him up as a coach this offseason. I predict 10-6 or 11-5 for the Bears.
Lovie is involved on both sides of the ball but more so with defense than offense. I do think he made some mistakes on clock management during one game last year. All coaches make mistakes its how they learn how to not make them again is what make them great. Your prediction is what I envision also.

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So because I didn't know what the deal was with Michael Haynes I don't know the Bears? OK, whatever.

According to NFL.com and ESPN Benson had 67 carries for 272 yards, an average of 4.1 yards per carry. Not sure where you're getting this 4.5 yards per carry thing. And I DO think that Jones is a very good back with Pro Bowl potential. I like him alot. That is why I think Benson was a wasted pick. Why not use the #5 pick to get someone at an area of greater need. He sucked in Detroit (because it is Detroit after all) but most Bear fans I know were praying they get Mike Williams. Of course, if Benson turns into the next Larry Johnson to Jones' Priest Holmes I'll take it all back.

And I said their O-line is good, but they are getting up their in age. They could have used one of their second round picks on a linemen to groom as Miller's replacement such as Eric Winston, or Mercedes Lewis, or Chad Jackson, or Jimmy Williams. Hell, if you're so happy about Benson and want to keep loading up on RB's they could have taken DeAngelo Williams. But too late now, I'm sure Gage will FINALLY step up. I'm sure Bradley will play every game for the rest of his life like he did that single game against Detroit. And hey man, if you're happy with Desmond Clark and hs 24 receptions a year good for you.

Did I say Manning wouldn't contribute? NO. I'm asking you how he has been doing so far. I follow the Bears, but not their minicamps and OTA's. Nick Collins came from a small school and did fine for us last year, but pretty much everyone here was surprised at how well he did play. It can certainly be done, but it is a big step forward.

Geez, you act like I bashed every single player on the team. You might be the first Bear fan i've ever talked to who likes Qasim. If you actually think he's solid you're dumber than I thought

Never said I liked Qasim, but he is serviceable in spot relief. You said you watch them every week so I assumed you meant EVERY WEEK. Then you would have known that Lovie was praising Clark and you would have known about the Haynes switch. 4.1 instead of 4.5 wow! I was really off on that one. Once again for spot play he did good until he was injured. You speak of Gage but he isnt even the second on the WR depth chart, Bradley is and then possibly Berrian. And both of those Backup WR's played better than all the packer WR's outside of Driver who is a #1 WR.
I was one of the Bear fans that wanted Mike Williams cuz just like alot of fans I got caught up in the hype. Go over to the Bears board now. You will see that no one regrets taking Benson over Williams. They took Benson cuz he was believed to be the best at the #4 spot. Some will question if Caddy should have been picked but after further review it was a no brainer between him and Williams.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I don't like Benson much. I thought he was overrated before the draft, and nothing he did last year made me change my mind. Jones is better. They should just stick with him. Haynes is playing DT--mostly because they are concerned about the future of Tank Johnson. Desmond Clark? You can't be sticking up for that guy. I have him in a Madden style league I'm in. He's ordinary, at best. Like most years, the Bears have a great defense and a below average offense. Some years, that gets you 11 wins, some 9 wins, and if your defense gets injured a lot (which has been a problem for the Bears), you get a below .500 team. I suspect the Bears will be a 9 or 10 win team--and that likely wins them the North in 2006.

[Bossman641]

I live in ILL and I watch the Bears nearly every week. i'm very familiar with their roster, here's my take.
well you must not be paying close attention..

QB I honestly think it's too soon to proclaim Grossman the real deal. For all the savior talk he gets from Bear fans, he's still only played in 8 games in his career. 4 Td's, 6 Int's, and a 54% completion rate. He also has 5 fumbles in those 8 games. Turner does call the game very differently when Grossman is in the game though. The threat alone of throwing the deep ball changes their offense completely.
I havent proclaimed Grossman as the starter. I said the QB possition with him and Griese is the best they have had in 20 years. That in effect means that is an improvement in that area.

RB I like Thomas Jones alot. He runs hard, can catch the ball, and doesn't fumble. Adrian Peterson is a nice change of pace back. I still think that Benson was a wasted pick last year but it's too early to say for sure. There's only so many carries to go around.
Once again the validity in the statements you make are so flawed its ridiculous. The Bears have a 1300 yd back in Jones, and the top rusher from college in Benson. Please tell me how Beson was a wasted pick? He averaged over 4.5 yds per game when he did touch the ball last year and would have had more if it wasnt for Jones shining so much. Peterson just produces every chance he gets and he is the 3rd RB on the depth chart! RB possition is probaly the deepest and most secure on the team. Give true logic behind your statments next time.

WR Honestly, their WR do not scare me. I understand Moose had fewer opportunities with Orton at the helm, but he had A LOT of drops last year. He'll give you 70 or so catches and 7-8 TD's but he is getting up there in age. You never know when he'll lose the marginal amount of speed that he has. They were waiting for Gage to step up all last year, didn't happen. Bradley had 1 good game last year before he got injured, too soon to proclaim him a capable starter. Berrian can stretch the field but again, too soon to say he's starter material.

OL Their line is good but Miller, Kreutz, and Brown are getting up there in age. I like Garza but if one your your tackles gets injured and you have to play Qasim Mitchell you are fucked. He is terrible.
Mitchel is not the only backup on the team. and he is solid in the rotation in spelled moments. Still the O-line is more solid than anything in the NFC north.

DL I really like this position. The ends are good and Idonije is a good backup. Tommie Harris is a beast and they have a good roation at DT. Haynes hasn't lived up to his draft position though. Why is that?
Hmmm, if you have been watching the Bears you would know this answer. He was drafted under Dick Jauron who wanted him to gain weight for there scheme, then Lovie came and wanted him to lose weight for his quick line scheme. He wasnt blasting off da line quick enough so in comes O-gun via trade of Booker, and now Haynes has been moved to DT to make a four man rotation inside that no team can match. Once again a strong point.

LB Urlacher and Briggs, what can I say. All the other LB has to do is not make mental mistakes and you'll be fine.
Just like I been saying, and how many teams have one all pro LB not to mention TWO!

CB I don't think Vasher is as good as his numbers indicate. He's not a shutdown guy. Tillman struggled last year, can throw on him all day. Who knows about Manning. I dunno if there will be any disciplinary action.
Tilman has been caught deep before but you cant just throw on him. But he does have problems with elite speedy WR's. The average #1 WR has no chance against him. Vasher may not be as good as his numbers indicate and like i said before I NEVER SAID HE WAS A SHUTDOWN CB. No CB in the league is. So saying that I will take his numbers over any of your CB numbers anyday since INT's means the other team no longer has the ball and you offense has an extra chance to score. There will be do action taken by the team in regards to manning, they have already said so. In his case the field production is all that matters right now.

S Brown's had injury problems and I've always thought he was a little overrated, still very good though. I thought Harris did a good job for a rookie. That's why I was surprised at the Bear's draft.
Brown is solid period. He would start for any team in the NFC north. Harris was soid for a rookie but he was caught out of possition some times and his recovery speed isnt great if he bites on a play. Enter Manning(the rookie) and his outstanding speed and atheliticism and may the best man win. Once again a soid possition made stronger.

I thought the Bears' draft sucked. Desmond Clark is nothing special and I thought for sure they would target a TE. Manning is coming from a small school. Will he contribute this year? Devin Hester is nothing special as a CB. Sure he can return kicks, but is it really worth a second round pick to grab a returner, especially when you need offensive help.
I thought you said you been watching the Bears? If so you will notice that Lovie said the player that stood out the most and looked outstanding with his catches and improved speed is Clark. Why should they have drafted a TE? which one would have been better than Clark? EXACTLY. "Manning is coming froma small school"....uh, is that all you have to say to disaprove of this pick? I'm sure I dont have to mention how many good to great players came from small schools in the NFL. He will compete for the starting FS possition and may start by week 3. Hester not only returns kicks, he was the best in doing so last year in college. You need to watch clips of this kid, hes pretty much amazing at what he does when he touches the ball. no one can ever cath him if he gets a step on them. And he finds seems that only a slim jim can fit through. Big upgrade from fumble4u Wade. He will come in on Dime Packages and earn his keep. The Bears offensive help was only apparent at QB last year when Orton was tossing the pig skin. The WR's were getting open but he kept throwing into the stands! Grossman came back in the last weeks and moved down the field with no problem. and the Runig game was solid all year even when everyone knew they had to run. So please stop following lead by saying they needed to draft offense when there was no offensive player on the board that would help the team more than the players they took. Anytime a team is not picking in the top half of the draft they more than likely get looked at as having a poor draft cuz they dont pick a player that was on ESPN for months leading up to the Draft.

I have a question for you Baddest Bear. Is Lovie involved with the offense at all, or is that strictly under the control of Turner? Lovie is a good coach although he made some mistakes last year (poor clock management, etc). I like Rivera and thought somebody would pick him up as a coach this offseason. I predict 10-6 or 11-5 for the Bears.
Lovie is involved on both sides of the ball but more so with defense than offense. I do think he made some mistakes on clock management during one game last year. All coaches make mistakes its how they learn how to not make them again is what make them great. Your prediction is what I envision also.

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So because I didn't know what the deal was with Michael Haynes I don't know the Bears? OK, whatever.

According to NFL.com and ESPN Benson had 67 carries for 272 yards, an average of 4.1 yards per carry. Not sure where you're getting this 4.5 yards per carry thing. And I DO think that Jones is a very good back with Pro Bowl potential. I like him alot. That is why I think Benson was a wasted pick. Why not use the #5 pick to get someone at an area of greater need. He sucked in Detroit (because it is Detroit after all) but most Bear fans I know were praying they get Mike Williams. Of course, if Benson turns into the next Larry Johnson to Jones' Priest Holmes I'll take it all back.

And I said their O-line is good, but they are getting up their in age. They could have used one of their second round picks on a linemen to groom as Miller's replacement such as Eric Winston, or Mercedes Lewis, or Chad Jackson, or Jimmy Williams. Hell, if you're so happy about Benson and want to keep loading up on RB's they could have taken DeAngelo Williams. But too late now, I'm sure Gage will FINALLY step up. I'm sure Bradley will play every game for the rest of his life like he did that single game against Detroit. And hey man, if you're happy with Desmond Clark and hs 24 receptions a year good for you.

Did I say Manning wouldn't contribute? NO. I'm asking you how he has been doing so far. I follow the Bears, but not their minicamps and OTA's. Nick Collins came from a small school and did fine for us last year, but pretty much everyone here was surprised at how well he did play. It can certainly be done, but it is a big step forward.

Geez, you act like I bashed every single player on the team. You might be the first Bear fan i've ever talked to who likes Qasim. If you actually think he's solid you're dumber than I thought

Never said I liked Qasim, but he is serviceable in spot relief. You said you watch them every week so I assumed you meant EVERY WEEK. Then you would have known that Lovie was praising Clark and you would have known about the Haynes switch. 4.1 instead of 4.5 wow! I was really off on that one. Once again for spot play he did good until he was injured. You speak of Gage but he isnt even the second on the WR depth chart, Bradley is and then possibly Berrian. And both of those Backup WR's played better than all the packer WR's outside of Driver who is a #1 WR.
I was one of the Bear fans that wanted Mike Williams cuz just like alot of fans I got caught up in the hype. Go over to the Bears board now. You will see that no one regrets taking Benson over Williams. They took Benson cuz he was believed to be the best at the #4 spot. Some will question if Caddy should have been picked but after further review it was a no brainer between him and Williams.

Walter Payton 4.4 yards per carry for his career.
Dorsey Levens 4.0 yards per carry for his career.

Hey no big deal man. I'd say they are about equal. By your standards they're pretty much the same player. Why don't you man up and admit you fucked up on Benson's stats instead of making excuses.

OMG, Berrian and Bradley? I'm terrified. Nevermind the fact that they have a combined 46 catches for 701 yards in their careers. Jerry Rice must be scared shitless.

The fact that you consider to stick up for Desmond Clark shows how clueless you are.

[Bossman641]

BTW, learn how to read.

I wrote

I live in ILL and I watch the Bears nearly every week.

According to you I said

You said you watch them every week so I assumed you meant EVERY WEEK.

It's OK. I'm sure you have a reading disability. After all, you are a Bears fan. That's probably why you thought Benson averaged 4.5 yards a carry when he actually averaged 4.1. But again, by your logic, those numbers are pretty much the same thing.

[Dabaddestbear]

Walter Payton 4.4 yards per carry for his career.
Dorsey Levens 4.0 yards per carry for his career.

Hey no big deal man. I'd say they are about equal. By your standards they're pretty much the same player. Why don't you man up and admit you fucked up on Benson's stats instead of making excuses.

OMG, Berrian and Bradley? I'm terrified. Nevermind the fact that they have a combined 46 catches for 701 yards in their careers. Jerry Rice must be scared shitless.

The fact that you consider to stick up for Desmond Clark shows how clueless you are.

Man thats sad your mind works that way. I think they have meds to reverse those effects. By my standards I was saying I was off by a few yardage average not by comparison of how great a player is.
Well they both were injured last year and one was only in his second year, the other a rookie. Only to add to thte fact that neither was a starter. So to say 701 yrds in there CAREERS means very little.
And in Berrians little time played last year he consistantly found a way to blow past defenses on deep routes. As a matter of fact one of those deep routes left packer defenders gasping for air while he ran past your speedy Caroll and Collins.
Funny how you keep saying I am taking up for Clark, when I was just clearly stating what the Coach said on TV in an interview after pratice. But of course you already know that since you watch them so much...lol
Your just too bright for me kid

[RashanGary]

The Bears have a chacne to compete for a Superbowl this year. I believe they are that good.

I don't think they can keep it up for long but they have a window that is right now. I don't see any HOF players who can carry that team for the long term life Favre did with GB, but they have alot of really good ones right now.

[Dabaddestbear]

BTW, learn how to read.

It's OK. I'm sure you have a reading disability. After all, you are a Bears fan. That's probably why you thought Benson averaged 4.5 yards a carry when he actually averaged 4.1. But again, by your logic, those numbers are pretty much the same thing.

Hey everybody I assumed a guy had a 4.5 average when he only had a 4.1 average! Help me, how could I have been so stupid.
The infamous Bossman has figured out that I dont google search stats before I qoute them. I am so sorry for my errors in judgement of the knowledge you posses. May the Football gods forgive me.

Football Gods reposnse: Dont worry mortal. No one can be as anal as Bossman he will be punished for his misguided behaviour by having to suffer by watching the team he roots for not win no more than 6 games this year while watching his QB get killed on every play!

DaBaddestBear: But do he deserve such pain?

Football Gods reposnse:Well since we do like his pagan god Favre ever so much we will allow him to get killed on every other play.

DaBaddestBear:Thank you for showing mercy on the foolish , for he knows not what he do.

Football Gods reposnse:My son, mercy will be shown only by your asking. And in return I will make sure that Da Bears demoralize his team twice this year.
Now excuse me for I have to prepare chips and dip for my visitors Pappa Bear Halas and Mr. Lombardi. We have a movie night prepared, oh how I love that Brian's Song!!

[Bossman641]

Man thats sad your mind works that way. I think they have meds to reverse those effects. By my standards I was saying I was off by a few yardage average not by comparison of how great a player is.
Well they both were injured last year and one was only in his second year, the other a rookie. Only to add to thte fact that neither was a starter. So to say 701 yrds in there CAREERS means very little.
And in Berrians little time played last year he consistantly found a way to blow past defenses on deep routes. As a matter of fact one of those deep routes left packer defenders gasping for air while he ran past your speedy Caroll and Collins.
Funny how you keep saying I am taking up for Clark, when I was just clearly stating what the Coach said on TV in an interview after pratice. But of course you already know that since you watch them so much...lol
Your just too bright for me kid

Are you kidding me? YOU'RE the one who was bragging earlier about how great Benson was (4.5 yards per carry, top rusher from college). He's in the NFL now, I don't care how he did in college. Ron Dayne was also the leading rusher in college. And hey, who cares about stats? Instead we can make meaningless statements and back them up with absolutely no proof. Then we can just argue back and forth all day.

That's exactly my point about Berrian and Bradley. They have proven very little so far but you're the one who was going on and on about how talented they are.

[Fosco33]

Here's how I see things shaping up:

Defense will rule the North this year with both Chicago and GB fielding competitive units (obvious edge to the Bears). Both have question marks on Offense.

IMO, the Vikes (and all their Badger staff) will struggle early with a slew of changes over the offseason and field a competitive team down the stretch. Regarding the Lions - I think Millen has stained that org and they'll bring up the rear again.

Bears 11-5
Packers 9-7
Vikings 7-9
Detroit 5-11

That was a shot in the dark and as valid as any June prediction given the parity in the NFL and the huge unknown factor (injuries). Anything can, and will, happen.

[Bretsky]

My comparison of Bears vs. Packers

The Packers QB is way > than the Bears
The Packers WR's are > than the Bears
The Packers TE's are > than the Bears
Healthy, GB's RB's and the Bears RB's are a wash
The Bears OL is way > than the Packers

The Bears Special Teams are > than the Packers

The Bears DL is > than the Packers
The Bears LB's are > than the Packers
The Packers CB's are > than the Bears
The Bears Safeties, barely > than the Packers

IF both teams are injury free, I'd argue the Bears have slightly more talent than GB, but it's closer than Bear fans will admit.

[Fosco33]

My comparison of Bears vs. Packers

The Packers QB is way > than the Bears
The Packers WR's are > than the Bears
The Packers TE's are > than the Bears
Healthy, GB's RB's and the Bears RB's are a wash
The Bears OL is way > than the Packers

The Bears Special Teams are > than the Packers

The Bears DL is > than the Packers
The Bears LB's are > than the Packers
The Packers CB's are > than the Bears
The Bears Safeties, barely > than the Packers

IF both teams are injury free, I'd argue the Bears have slightly more talent than GB, but it's closer than Bear fans will admit.

Not sure on the WRs.... I'm hoping you're right, though.

What about Bears vs. Vikings or Packers vs. Vikings? What about Detroit - ahh don't waste your time with Detroit....

[Harlan Huckleby]

Healthy, GB's RB's and the Bears RB's are a wash

homer

well, ok, maybe if we send green back in a time capsule a couple years. But Bears got two excellent RB's.