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  • Jason Wilde 6/22/06 : Packers Harris threatens camp holdout



    THU., JUN 22, 2006 - 12:26 AM
    Packers: Harris threatens camp holdout
    JASON WILDE 608-252-6176
    jwilde@madison.com
    GREEN BAY - So much for Green Bay Packers veteran cornerback Al Harris not following the Mike McKenzie-Javon Walker unhappy-with-my-contract playbook.

    After skipping all of the team's voluntary offseason workouts - the late-May minicamp and all 14 of the club's organized team activity practices - Harris said Wednesday he won't report to training camp July 28 and, if the Packers don't rework his contract, he doesn't want to play for the team again.

    "Under the current deal now, I can't see myself playing there. I feel real strong about this thing," Harris said when reached on his cell phone while his teammates went through Wednesday's final OTA practice. "I'm going to do what I need to do.

    "Either we make it happen in Green Bay, or we make it happen elsewhere. I know there's teams out there that would pay me what I'm asking for. I'd love to be with the Packers, though. It's not like I'm trying to kill 'em."

    In September 2004, Harris signed a $18.635 million extension, which added five years onto his existing deal and contained $7 million in bonuses. Thus, Harris is under contract through 2009 and is scheduled to earn base salaries of $1.5 million this season, $2.2 million in '07, $2.85 million in '08 and $3 million in '09.

    Asked if, with four years remaining on his contract, he's negotiating from a position of strength, Harris replied, "Not really. But I think I've got a strong case from (the standpoint of) how I've played and what I'm asking for. I'm pretty sensitive to the general manager (Ted Thompson). He doesn't want everybody coming up there after they just signed a deal. I understand. But I'm not even asking for any money this year."

    Instead, what Harris wants is a pair of roster bonuses - the first payable next March and the second payable in March 2008 - worth $4 to $5 million and incentive bonuses worth $1.25 to $1.5 million if he makes the Pro Bowl.

    Harris, who hasn't missed a start since coming to Green Bay in March 2003 in a trade with Philadelphia, has intercepted eight passes (three of which he returned for touchdowns) for the Packers and was chosen as an NFC alternate for the Pro Bowl last year. Pro Football Weekly recently rated him the No. 12 cornerback in the NFL.

    New coach Mike McCarthy, whose only interaction with Harris was at the mandatory three-day post-draft minicamp in early May, said: "All the conversations I've been a part of as far as Al Harris, I've been told over and over again he's nothing but a true professional. He's always come in in shape, extremely hard worker, and I don't think that's going to change."

    Earlier this month, Harris' agent, Jack Bechta, said his client planned on taking part in all of the team's mandatory practices, meaning Harris wouldn't miss training camp. Bechta told The Associated Press Wednesday Harris will report for the start of training camp.

    "Oh, yeah. That is not an issue," Bechta said. "We'll be in training camp."

    Bechta said he spoke with Harris earlier Wednesday and had assurances from his client he wouldn't be staying home in five weeks.

    Even though Harris' stance has obviously changed, Thompson refused to comment on the reversal.

    "I never talk about things like that. We don't ever talk about any discussions we have with our players along those lines," said Thompson, adding he hasn't spoken to Harris recently and doesn't expect to talk to him before camp opens. "It doesn't make sense for me to go tit for tat and say, 'Oh yeah? He said that, well, I say this.' So I'm not going to."

    Still, Harris sounded Wednesday like a man whose mind is made up.

    "I'm not a selfish dude. It's the principle with me. If Ted goes out and gets a free agent, he's going to spend a lot more than what I'm asking for," Harris said. "The economics don't make a lot of sense to me. Because no doubt, I personally think I've outplayed my contract -and if not outplayed the whole deal, I think it's time for a little boost."
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    Whether he's right, wrong, or in between, I don't know and right now I don't care. I'm just sooooo sick of guys wanting to re-negotiate contracts. It seems like a disease that's spreading around the NFL. Cripes, the way this is going, every football forum will have to feature labor lawyers to explain contract law. Damn, that's depressing.

    I hear ol' Jason Spitz is looking good over at right guard. Wonder what happened to "Orange" Junius Coston?
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    • #3
      Figuring out what players are worth is so damn complicated.

      If you accept that he is the 12th best CB in the league, what are the guys around him making? And how old are they?

      I just don't know. Harris got a $7M signing bonus, he's not grossly underpaid like Driver was, that much is for sure. Like Driver, Harris probably has two years left after this one.

      I'm not against what Harris is doing as a matter of principle. I just guess he overestimates his value. I doubt very much Thompson will give him more money. Perhaps Harris can sit out a year, then force a trade, but at his age, he will just lose money doing that, might even have to forfeit part of his signing bonus. Harris is screwed.

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      • #4
        "Harris is screwed" HH

        NOT - If he gets his act into TC , and plays as good as he believes he can and as well as TT expects him to.
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        • #5
          so his agent says he's not going to hold out, he says hes not either, now he is saying he is. What a women.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
            Figuring out what players are worth is so damn complicated.

            If you accept that he is the 12th best CB in the league, what are the guys around him making? And how old are they?

            I just don't know. Harris got a $7M signing bonus, he's not grossly underpaid like Driver was, that much is for sure. Like Driver, Harris probably has two years left after this one.

            I'm not against what Harris is doing as a matter of principle. I just guess he overestimates his value. I doubt very much Thompson will give him more money. Perhaps Harris can sit out a year, then force a trade, but at his age, he will just lose money doing that, might even have to forfeit part of his signing bonus. Harris is screwed.
            I agree. I don't think Thompson is going to budge. They showed with Driver that the team isn't going to just rip you off and kick you to the curb but they are also not going to renegotiate these things every time a guy wants more money. There has to be a line somewhere.

            I saw Harris on MTV's Cribs a while back, just after he got his signing bonus and lets just say it looked like he had most of it spent in a few months. Like with Grady Jackson, I think this boils down to desperation and a feeling that they deserve more than being broke. What they don't realize is the only reason they are broke is because of their own actions. Kampman played out his crappy deals and kept his mouth shut. He fixed up an old house and when UFA came, he got paid in a big way. The same would have happened for Harris but he wanted it up front. The way I look at it, he made his own bed and now he can sleep in it. I would have had a hard time even giving Driver the money but TT is more flexible than I am in this regard. The most telling comment I heard was Thompson saying he doesn't plan on speaking with Al. That is evidence of a pretty hard line stance. He said the same things with Walker.
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            • #7
              Judging from recent history, the next packer to get a raise will Ahmad Carroll

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Fritz
                Whether he's right, wrong, or in between, I don't know and right now I don't care. I'm just sooooo sick of guys wanting to re-negotiate contracts. It seems like a disease that's spreading around the NFL. Cripes, the way this is going, every football forum will have to feature labor lawyers to explain contract law. Damn, that's depressing.

                I hear ol' Jason Spitz is looking good over at right guard. Wonder what happened to "Orange" Junius Coston?

                A. He looked a little shaky. They liked that he hung around and worked out, but he ain't "there" yet.

                B. I think TT and M3 are going with the "New Kids" whenever possible.

                Coston is the guy I never saw. I'd look for the guy, but never catch his play!

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                • #9
                  Green Bay - If Al Harris doesn’t report for the start of the Green Bay Packers’ training camp next month, it would come as a major surprise to his agent.
                  Jack Bechta, who represents the Packers starting cornerback, said he spoke with Harris on Wednesday, the same day a published report quoted Harris as saying he might not report on time. Harris missed all 14 days of the Packers’ organized team activities that concluded on Wednesday because he thinks he deserves a contract extension.

                  “I talked to Al today and asked him, ‘What’s going on?’” Bechta said on Wednesday from his office in San Diego. “He just kind of laughed and said, ‘Call Andrew (Brandt) and call Ted (Thompson) and tell them, rest assured, I will not miss anything mandatory. I’ll be there. I’d love to have a new deal, but I’ll be there.’ ”




                  Is Al Harris having trouble making up his mind, or are he and his agent having trouble communicating? If Harris changes agents, (especially if it's Rosenhaus), look out.
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                  But they've summoned, they've summoned up
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                  • #10
                    you saw al harris on cribs and now you're an expert on his finances?

                    i don't think his holdout has anything to do with him being broke.
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                    • #11
                      I think his holdout is about wanting more bank. He's got plenty. He should chill.

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                      • #12
                        Sorry for repeating myself, but I see this whole Al Harris dust-up as the fault of one man: Jason Wilde.

                        If that fucker would have kept his fat face and poison pen out of places it didn't belong, Coach Mac wouldn't have had to curse him out, and Al wouldn't have gotten the idea to be a big jerk.

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                        • #13
                          See? You've finally come around to the right way of thinking.
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                          • #14
                            So basically is it giving him more guranteed cash and some pro bowl bonuses? If its no more money except what he would earn by playing well I say rewrite the thing
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                            • #15
                              nah, he wants 4 mil more a year guaranteed. That is in addition to his current contract

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