Jason Wilde 6/22/06 : Packers Harris threatens camp holdout

[Tony Oday]

hmm 4 million extra for free? I say tie that into tackle, int and pass defended and say you want it this way Harris? No well F off rasta boy.

[havanother]

The boy is not worth 4 million more. He's got to show up for this season, put on his best behavior and prove that he's worth it for next year. This is starting to stink like the shit Walker put down last year. It's a good thing he didn't get paid anymore. Harris needs to put one more season of solid numbers....and what about the fucking CONTRACT!!!! putting a name on paper doesn't mean a thing in the NFL anymore. players always restructuring, asking for more, holding out. whining bitches. It works both ways with management releasing, and restructuring players. Sorry, I'm blowing off steam, but if you signed a bad contract fire your agent, don't hurt your team.

[Noodle]

The problem with CONTRACT is, as I've said before, that the rules of the game keep changing on the players. The most important rule they face during negotiations is -- we (the team) can only pay you so much because of the cap. So the player eventually comes in at numbers that work with the cap. And since everyone else is dealing with the same cap, there aren't a lot of guys getting paid significantly more for the same level of performance.

So what happens when the cap goes up by by 20 million or so? Now that thumb on wages is gone, and a guy sees his peers, people with his ability, getting paid a lot more because teams can afford to do it.

Is it right to stick it to a guy who respected the team's need to stay under the cap? I say, heck no! Open up the wallet a little bit. Spread some of the love. It's only right.

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The problem with CONTRACT is, as I've said before, that the rules of the game keep changing on the players. The most important rule they face during negotiations is -- we (the team) can only pay you so much because of the cap. So the player eventually comes in at numbers that work with the cap. And since everyone else is dealing with the same cap, there aren't a lot of guys getting paid significantly more for the same level of performance.

So what happens when the cap goes up by by 20 million or so? Now that thumb on wages is gone, and a guy sees his peers, people with his ability, getting paid a lot more because teams can afford to do it.

Is it right to stick it to a guy who respected the team's need to stay under the cap? I say, heck no! Open up the wallet a little bit. Spread some of the love. It's only right.

If only it was that easy.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So what happens when the cap goes up by by 20 million or so? Now that thumb on wages is gone, and a guy sees his peers, people with his ability, getting paid a lot more because teams can afford to do it.

Is it right to stick it to a guy who respected the team's need to stay under the cap? I say, heck no! Open up the wallet a little bit.

I agree with you. But really, the best solution is to limit contracts to three years. Then they don't get so out of whack.

But teams like the long contracts, and seem to think they win when they get guys like Harris, Driver, McKenzie at a long-term bargain. Agents want a cut of a bigger signing bonus. Players don't know what's going on. I hate the salary crap.

[pbmax]

But teams like the long contracts, and seem to think they win when they get guys like Harris, Driver, McKenzie at a long-term bargain. Agents want a cut of a bigger signing bonus. Players don't know what's going on. I hate the salary crap.

Harlan, I don't think teams like long contracts more than agents do. Agents want huge gaudy number to leak to the media to help attract more clients. Teams don't care because they know how much cash they will be shelling out and vets know the difference (by now) between the published numbers and the likely to be paid numbers.

And I give players more credit because Harris is specifically asking for a certain kind of adjustment, one he is likely to earn shoudl he be able to convince the Packers. He isn't asking for an over the rainbow contract extension.

When teams were attempting to stretch out cap hit of signing bonuses, long term deals looked good, but became less important when teams got better at scheduling a high salary in the later years to mitigate the signing bonus acceleration.

And it is even less important to teams now that option bonuses have become all the rage. Beacuse the optional nature means they can't be accelerated unless they change the erms of the contract later.

[PackerPro42]

If he wants to be a jerk let him. Maybe they'll do the same thing to him as they did to Walker. I could totally see Harris in a Broncos uniform.

[Brandon494]

What a punk, why do we have to have a holdout every year? I'm really getting tired of it.

[PackerPro42]

I do without so many dreadlocks on the team anyways. No offense but it looks like half our team is from Jamaica.