All Is Not Lost

[mission]

i know for damn sure that aaron rodgers is our guy ...

im frustrated about how our team played as a whole. shit, a-rod kept it somewhat interesting at least.

i dunno if those quotes are directed at me or what...

there are just a few players that i kinda wanna strangle: rouse, t-williams, spitz or whoever our center is, jones, finley... anyone else?

crosby is great

[mission]

I see it differently, he got both hands on the ball, it didn't require a great catch.

I'm down on a Jones. He was said to have fumblitis and the dropsies in camp, and he's had his hands on at least 4 catchable balls that he's drop the last two weeks. To me, with his TE speed, if he's not catching pretty much every catchable thrown to him, he's not all that useful. To be fair, I was a bit down on him even last year. I think he can be a good 3rd or 4th WR, but I don't see him as a guy who will be a good starting WR in the NFL. I could be wrong though. Hopefully.

You wont be.

He's got TO hands without the rest of TO to make up for it

[Partial]

And there in lies the difference why so many of us were upset at this summer's activities.

Our offense is more vanilla this year, and while our quarterbacks numbers are solid and reflect good decision making, we're not getting playmaker type play from their.

Rodgers was good the first two weeks. Not a playmaker? Did you not see the two bombs to Jennings, the bomb to Driver that was called back, the scramble and TD throw to Jones? We lost to the team that very well be the best team in football. We also don't match up well with that team.

Honestly, I'm not sure we are even 2-1 with Favre at QB. One interception against either Minnesota or Detroit might have lost us the game, and he likely would have thrown one. Favre has only gone three games in a row without an interception 4 times since 1995. He's never gone four games in a row without an interception. I'll take 7 TDs to 1 turnover in his first 3 games--two of the three games against really good defenses.

Yet each week we have struggled for points. Week 1 we struggled against a 1-2, and very average looking Vikings team. Last week we did well against the worst team in the NFL. We also almost lost it because the offense was non-existent in the second half.

This week, we couldn't get a touchdown. Period.

You can make the interception argument all you want, but I don't believe it for a second. Sure, their may have been a pick, but I'm sure there would have been more points. Playmakers at least try to make something happen. I didn't sense the effort tonight at all.

[gioreeko]

what pisses me off is that Dallas always seem to get away with holding on the offensive line. The most blatant example was the long touchdown pass that put them up 27-9. Jenkins was about to get Romo when he was pulled down by the front collar of his pads, right in front of Romo! How do you miss that call? Reminds me of 95 when Reggie White was held multiple times in that game.

[BZnDallas]

what pisses me off is that Dallas always seem to get away with holding on the offensive line. The most blatant example was the long touchdown pass that put them up 27-9. Jenkins was about to get Romo when he was pulled down by the front collar of his pads, right in front of Romo! How do you miss that call? Reminds me of 95 when Reggie White was held multiple times in that game.

i was sooo pissed after that bullshit... witten held on the felix jones 60 yard scamper and colin cole was obviously held on the martellus bennett 40 yard reception... you can see his jersey being pulled from the side view!... i hate to blame refs for games but they were wearing more white than green this evening!!!

[oregonpackfan]

I see it differently, he got both hands on the ball, it didn't require a great catch.

I'm down on a Jones. He was said to have fumblitis and the dropsies in camp, and he's had his hands on at least 4 catchable balls that he's drop the last two weeks. To me, with his TE speed, if he's not catching pretty much every catchable thrown to him, he's not all that useful. To be fair, I was a bit down on him even last year. I think he can be a good 3rd or 4th WR, but I don't see him as a guy who will be a good starting WR in the NFL. I could be wrong though. Hopefully.

I am very disappointed with the two dropped passes by Jones. Again, it marks the second week in a row where Jones has dropped at least two passes in a game.

McCarthy must be equally upset with Jones because it appeared that Jordy Nelson played in his spot for most of the game.

[TravisWilliams23]

Having been able to watch the Lombardi Packers of the 60's, the thing I remember most about the quarterback play from Bart Starr was that he would just as soon take a sack rather than throw an interception in every instance.

I like what MM is doing to bring Arod along. Don't turn the ball over!
Stress that point early in his career and he won't have to be broken of a bad habit later. So far Arod has bought into this philosophy.

The Packers will have to win this year by winning the turnover battle, special teams play and defense. Tonight, the only A given out would go to Crosby. There seemed to be a flag on every kick return by the Pack. The defense couldn't get enough pressure on Romo most of the night and our offensive line allowed too much pressure for Arod to find the big play reception.

I can't wait for next weeks game with Tampa Bay to see what MM does to correct the mistakes from tonight's game.

[Lurker64]

Really, unless you expected to go 16-0 this year there's really no reason to get too worked up about this loss. Sure, losing sucks and I really wanted to beat the Cowboys and a I figured this was as good a shot as we've had in recent memory. But I did expect the Packers to lose some games this year, and if you look at our schedule Dallas is pretty much the best team we play all year (at least until the playoffs.) We didn't really look bad in doing it either. There are things we need to work on, and Dallas was clearly better than Green Bay in September, but it's a long season and things do change.

If we win this division, we get another crack at Dallas next year, if we don't see them in the playoffs. We're still on pace to win the division, and looking at our first four games? I think a lot of people (before the season started) would have been happy to finish September at 3-1. Really, if you keep up that pace you finish 12-4 and that will win most divisions in football. So let's beat the Bucs and not get too worked up about the Cowboys.

[Zool]

If Favre didnt come back, does this thread exist? If a rookie was drafted the same year that Favre retired and he was forced into starting, would he be playing as well?

Was Rodgers a world beater tonight? Was it his 3rd NFL start? Can we change the past? Are we going to just keep looking back and saying what if? Maybe we can look forward and say, for his 3rd fucking NFL start, he played pretty well against what is pretty much the consensus #1 team in the NFC. The team as a whole lost this game. More penalties at horrible times. More letdowns from the safety spot. Charlie Peprah getting on the field more than just for ST. Its a loss. Its going to happen. We weren't embarrassed off the field. Hell look what Dallas did to the Eagles D just 6 days ago.

[Patler]

Why so down on Rodgers?

Took too much time (3:23) for the TD drive? It was an 87 yard drive, but they actually had to pick up 91 yards to do it. (10 yard penalty on Colledge, 5 yarder on Hatcher, 1 yard on Hamlin). They did it in 11 plays.

Rodgers didn't make plays? Have you forgotten the jump pass completion as he was about to get hit? The perfect deep pass to Driver? Getting the first down after having 2nd and 20? Throwing for 290 yards? Throwing 0 interceptions in spite of constant pressure and being sacked 5 times?

Some one mentioned sending 4 receivers on go routes. Pretty hard to do with only 3 receivers. Martin was inactive. Jones left the game. That left only Driver, Jennings and Nelson. The four receiver formations are a big part of what the Packers like to do. That was lost for them after Jones left the game. It was very bad at the end of the game, but affected the whole game.

Rodgers held the ball too long? - The Packers couldn't stop the rush with just their linemen. How often did Madden mention the Packers going with max-protection, leaving only 3 receivers out on patterns. At the same time the Cowboys were going with 5 and 6 DBs, meaning everyone was double covered. On one of the sacks, Madden mentioned that Lee was wide open, but Rodgers had no chance to get the ball away.

I thought Rodgers played quite well. He was getting tremendous pressure, but he didn't get rattled and didn't do anything stupid with the ball, for the most part. Most of his incompletions were good throws, in good spots, and just near misses. He had several drops.

[3irty1]

As the youngest team in the league we can be playing our best football come the playoffs barring injuries and such. I'd rather beat them in the playoffs than in September.

[Patler]

I am very disappointed with the two dropped passes by Jones. Again, it marks the second week in a row where Jones has dropped at least two passes in a game.

McCarthy must be equally upset with Jones because it appeared that Jordy Nelson played in his spot for most of the game.

Jones reinjured his knee, tried to go back in, but couldn't.

[oregonpackfan]

what pisses me off is that Dallas always seem to get away with holding on the offensive line. The most blatant example was the long touchdown pass that put them up 27-9. Jenkins was about to get Romo when he was pulled down by the front collar of his pads, right in front of Romo! How do you miss that call?

I saw that holding of Jenkins as well and was howling about it before the ball left Romo's hands. The replay confirmed the holding but the refs missed it, IMO.

[cpk1994]

Ok you were being dramatic. You're still wrong. It's damn near impossible to take a shot in that situation. You don't get shots down field when you're losing by 18 becuase the defense is taking it away.

The only way to get back in that game is to take a shot with someone and hope u hit it... if not, INT... game over and u lose but at least u did all u can to win.. dinkin and dunkin wastin the clock away doesn't even give u a chance
thats one thing I will miss with Favre is that he didn't care about his stats, he wanted to win.... i hope this isn't the case about Arod

[Bretsky]

Rodgers was just ok; not bad and not good. Sometimes he held the ball too long; in a key play he got rid of it too early. He was off and on. Let's not make this into a AROD thing or a AROD and BF thing. Our record would probably be the same either way. Dallas is just much more talented all around right now.