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    Calling out the Defense - Sort Of

    I just don't get it. Everygame this year, Minny, Lions and now Cowboys. Whenever they get us into a third and long, they send people, and they let you know it. Why are the Packers not doing this? They talked last year about how we were going to use the LBs more and heck even the DBs to put more pressure on the QB........IF they watched the Philly game last week, that is all Philly did......why cant we?!!? It shouldn't matter if a few players were out.

    Yes, a few times we sent a LB(never a DB ala Henry) but when we do, why do our LBs blitz from the regular LBs spot? Any other team, they are up at the line ready to go.....if you are coming from your regular spot, that is 7 yards off the line, then add in the QB drop for an additional 7-10 yards.

    Don't tell me we needed it for coverage....yes we doubled TO, Whitten got his so can't say we doubled him....who else?!!?

    MM did help either, 3 outs, not being able to sustain a drive with the run game.

    I'm not upset about the loss, I picked the Packers for 3-1 at the bye and we are in a position to do that.
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    That's something I noted to superfan yesterday. I hate our delayed blitzes.
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    • #3
      Whether it be delayed blitz or having the LB's line up on the line of scrimmage, it would not have mattered much against the Cowboys' Oline. They are a remarkable group, both for run blocking as well as pass protection.

      Cullen Jenkins was the only Packer Dlineman who had any consistent success against them.

      When I saw Kampman trying to pass rush the right tackle, it seemed like he was outweighed by 50 lbs!

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      • #4
        The Packers Defense is 27th in total yards surrendered.

        26th against the Rush

        22nd against the Pass

        25th in Points allowed.

        According to NFL.com.

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        • #5
          I have seen posts that say the defense was on the field too long. That was very true but Dallas seem to make a lot of 3rd. downs. So if they don't want to be on the field...stop-em!
          Been there done that!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by CaliforniaCheez
            The Packers Defense is 27th in total yards surrendered.

            26th against the Rush

            22nd against the Pass

            25th in Points allowed.

            According to NFL.com.
            Well, it's only 3 games into the season and giving up 450+ yards to Dallas is going to hurt the stats. They've been decent, but we just don't match up well with Dallas. We can't get a consistent pass rush against their big OL.
            "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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            • #7
              Hell no this isnt the defense's fault. Only gave up 20 points to a high powered cowpukes offense through 3 quarters? Shit, Ill take that any day.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                That's something I noted to superfan yesterday. I hate our delayed blitzes.
                To tired to read through everything. I seem to recall that in the preseason they did some LB's at the line...where has that gone?



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                Whether it be delayed blitz or having the LB's line up on the line of scrimmage, it would not have mattered much against the Cowboys' Oline. They are a remarkable group, both for run blocking as well as pass protection.

                Cullen Jenkins was the only Packer Dlineman who had any consistent success against them.

                When I saw Kampman trying to pass rush the right tackle, it seemed like he was outweighed by 50 lbs!

                I disagree...yes they are a good group, but the front 4 were getting some sort of pressure.....you can only think that if we sent 5-6 people they would've gotten to Romo sooner!!!
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by oregonpackfan
                  Whether it be delayed blitz or having the LB's line up on the line of scrimmage, it would not have mattered much against the Cowboys' Oline. They are a remarkable group, both for run blocking as well as pass protection.

                  Cullen Jenkins was the only Packer Dlineman who had any consistent success against them.

                  When I saw Kampman trying to pass rush the right tackle, it seemed like he was outweighed by 50 lbs!
                  Early on Kamp was rag dolling that dude, but he got worn down. I agree we don't blitz enough, the only plays where romo looked uncomfortable and didn't make completions where the (4-5) times we actually sent an LB.
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                  • #10
                    the packers lack of depth at D-line really hurt. Montgomery made a nice play that I noticed, but he also got pushed around a lot.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                      the packers lack of depth at D-line really hurt. Montgomery made a nice play that I noticed, but he also got pushed around a lot.
                      Just wait until we get Justin Harrell back, that'll change everything.

                      I really don't think you can lay this one on the defense. I thought overall it did OK, the real issue was the lack of continuity to sustain drives by the offense in the second half. The defense was understandably gassed by the 4th quarter. That was the real issue if you ask me, (but you didn't)...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by retailguy
                        Originally posted by Harlan Huckleby
                        the packers lack of depth at D-line really hurt. Montgomery made a nice play that I noticed, but he also got pushed around a lot.
                        Just wait until we get Justin Harrell back, that'll change everything.

                        I really don't think you can lay this one on the defense. I thought overall it did OK, the real issue was the lack of continuity to sustain drives by the offense in the second half. The defense was understandably gassed by the 4th quarter. That was the real issue if you ask me, (but you didn't)...

                        ITs amazing how the Cowboys were superior in EVERY phase of the game, at every position even. I thought the Packers played hard and well across the board.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Calling out the Defense - Sort Of

                          Originally posted by Ballboy
                          IF they watched the Philly game last week, that is all Philly did......why cant we?!!?
                          Packers vs. Cowboys: 16 to 27

                          Eagles vs. Cowboys: 37 to 41
                          Whose defense should we be copying?!

                          The blitzes that Hawk and Bennett almost got home on (emphasize almost) weren't delayed. I don't know the mix, but my guess is that delayed blitzes weren't blitzes at all, but LBs rushing the QB when their man stayed in to block.

                          This D gameplan was a vast improvement over last year. Witten killed us on third down and we failed to account for an unknown WR in the second half. This game's result was very much on the offense. That lack of pass rush yielded all of 13 points in the first half. It did, however, help keep themselves on the field. Even tired, they gave up two TDs in the second half.

                          My questions: Pickett lost the double team battle inside. What next? Kampman did nothing versus Columbo save one sack where Romo was flushed by another player. Harlan might have seen AK ragdolling Columbo, but I missed that. I did see Kampman get blocked repeatedly by a TE on wide runs. When Jolly has the best day of the D Line, you know they have succeeded in neutralizing you.

                          There were problems, but the focus needs to be on the offense.
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                          • #14
                            I agree that the somewhat weak run game was a bigger problem than the D. But I also didn't hear KGB mentioned much. Was he hurt last night or just a non-factor?

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                            • #15
                              Re: Calling out the Defense - Sort Of

                              Originally posted by pbmax
                              Originally posted by Ballboy
                              IF they watched the Philly game last week, that is all Philly did......why cant we?!!?
                              Packers vs. Cowboys: 16 to 27

                              Eagles vs. Cowboys: 37 to 41
                              Whose defense should we be copying?!

                              The blitzes that Hawk and Bennett almost got home on (emphasize almost) weren't delayed. I don't know the mix, but my guess is that delayed blitzes weren't blitzes at all, but LBs rushing the QB when their man stayed in to block.

                              This D gameplan was a vast improvement over last year. Witten killed us on third down and we failed to account for an unknown WR in the second half. This game's result was very much on the offense. That lack of pass rush yielded all of 13 points in the first half. It did, however, help keep themselves on the field. Even tired, they gave up two TDs in the second half.

                              My questions: Pickett lost the double team battle inside. What next? Kampman did nothing versus Columbo save one sack where Romo was flushed by another player. Harlan might have seen AK ragdolling Columbo, but I missed that. I did see Kampman get blocked repeatedly by a TE on wide runs. When Jolly has the best day of the D Line, you know they have succeeded in neutralizing you.

                              There were problems, but the focus needs to be on the offense.
                              I don't think the the issue is "delayed blitz" but rather blitxing from the regular LB spot instead of up at the line.

                              If we had been sending more guys, our regular front 4 woundn't have been so tired from fighting off the double teams
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