Pull The Trigger Teddy

[Kyle.McCarroll]

Getting Gonzolez for a second would be f@#kin' tits! We'll probably get a third for Favre, so we can part with one measly second.
Just think about how explosive our offense could be with a TE who is worth a double-team?

It would be nice, but this is NEVER, EVER going to happen.

This is the harsh dose of reality for those wanting to get Gonzales. Also, everybody seems to assume that Gonzales now is as good as Gonzales 5 or so years ago. I wouldn't quite leap to that conclusion.

Exactly.

[Fritz]

I'm not buying it. All this speculation after the guy said he wanted to stay.

Second, neither Witten nor Gonzalez are field stretchers like Keith Jackson was. They don't have the same speed. Both are good, and Witten is a better blocker than Jackson, but it wouldn't have the same impact as Jackson's signing.

Third, TE has not been a focus on McCarthy's offense. Even if the 32 year old figures out the offense, McCarthy isn't going to feed him like Holmgren or Sherman fed the TE. Gonzalez has been the best receiver on the Chiefs for years. Here he would be third. No way, even for a full season does he approach his catch totals from the Chiefs.

Fourth, McCarthy would have to want him bad. A vet like this will need attention from the passing game. He is not going to come here to block in the shotgun.

Last, didn't Thompson already pass up on Gonzalez the last time his contract came up? Or did he resign right away with the Chiefs?

you're right.. itd have a greater impact because Keith Jackson couldn't hold Witten or Gonzo's jock

That statemnt shows one of two things:

1. You a way to young to remember Jackson

or

2. You are just ignorant.

Sorry, but I've got to agree with Pacopete on this one. Keith Jackson was an awesome, awesome announcer - the way he'd say "Fu-u-u-u-u-u-mb-u-u-u-u-l-l!" was enough to bring tears to any fan's eyes. And I've never seen anyone look better in a yellow sports jacket - but I don't recall that he was all that big or fast. I think Gonzo and Witten are probably much better football players, but I bet they can't announce for crap. Not like ol' Keith Jackson.

[Zool]

WOOOOAAHHHH NELLIE

[bobblehead]

if we were a tight-end away from the sb i'd say do it. since we're not...nevermind.

I'm not so sure we aren't. I actually am not so sure that by week 17 we won't be the favorite in the NFC. If you are that down on the pack due to one game...well I just don't understand that.

[Gunakor]

you're right.. itd have a greater impact because Keith Jackson couldn't hold Witten or Gonzo's jock

Are you that young that you don't remember Keith Jackson? Keith Jackson was phenomenal. Think back to his days with the Eagles and Dolphins too. Jackson was a better deep threat than either of these two guys. Speed to burn and great hands. And while he was not enthusiastic, he wasn't all that bad a blocker.

Agreed. Keith Jackson was one of the better TE's of his time. And considering the offensive package that Holmgren ran, he was the perfect compliment to Chewy and a big reason for our SB run.

Here's the difference though. McCarthy doesn't have the same offensive philosophy that Holmgren did. The TE's are not a big part of his gameplan. MM has preferred to spread the defense out wide with 4 or 5 WR sets, use the shotgun (something Holmgren never did if I'm remembering correctly), and use the talent he has at the WR position - a level of talent that Holmgren never really had and that Wolf has regretted giving him.

Gonzo wouldn't get the ball as much as you think he would. He'd make an impact on our offense, without a doubt, but I don't think it would be enough of an impact to warrant a day 1 draft pick. At least in terms of how efficient our offense is already. Maybe a 4th rounder, seeing as how his impact would be minimal and he'd only be around for a few years anyway. But KC isn't going to deal him for a 4th, since there are teams he'd be worth a 2nd to. IMO he's just not worth a 2nd or even a 3rd to us.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

if we were a tight-end away from the sb i'd say do it. since we're not...nevermind.

I'm not so sure we aren't. I actually am not so sure that by week 17 we won't be the favorite in the NFC. If you are that down on the pack due to one game...well I just don't understand that.

Relentless optimism won't change the facts. The Boys are the class of the NFC.

[arcilite]

Why the hell are so many people eager to trade away valuable draft picks for a 32 year old tight end?


We got to this point by doing the exact opposite. Holding onto draft picks and not going after 'big name' people who likely won't produce results.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why the hell are so many people eager to trade away valuable draft picks for a 32 year old tight end?


We got to this point by doing the exact opposite. Holding onto draft picks and not going after 'big name' people who likely won't produce results.

Same reason married men get divorced, only to wind up right back where they started.

Grass ALWAYS looks greener.

[Tony Oday]

I would love to see Gonzo playing in our 5 WR set...sure he is a TE but how can a LB line up on him in and win?

I think he would be a great pickup and is a Packer person and can solidify a spot with Veteran leadership to show Lee just how its done at that position.

I see a lot of trades happening this year for some reason

[KYPack]

This is a totally "anti-TT" type deal. There is no way it will happen.

If any deal would come down, which I really doubt, it would be for a corner. We got a vet TE and two subs. We won't trade for another.

[pbmax]

And I've never seen anyone look better in a yellow sports jacket....

Fritz, you win the thread and my undying admiration. This line made my week. Take $50 out of petty cash too.

[BZnDallas]

the one thing i don't see anybody disputing is the fact that Tony G would be an upgrade to our TE position... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL!!! maybe the reason MMs offense doesn't utilize the TE position is b/c he doesn't have one with Tony Gs abilities... whether or not Tony G would get 100 receptions is pointless... we all know with the WRs on this team, its going to be hard for any of them to get that kind of production...

the point, IMO is that Tony G would add another viable option and OPEN this offense up... yes i agree he isn't what he used to be, BUT HES STILL BETTER THAN ANYTHING WE HAVE RIGHT NOW!!! even though i like D. Lee... putting a TE out there with Tony Gs abilities takes defenders way from our other WRs and RBs... and must i say again this has nothing to do with bringing in another CB... i think the packers have plenty of money saved to do BOTH if TT wanted to... just one mans opinion

[Fred's Slacks]

Relentless optimism won't change the facts. The Boys are the class of the NFC.

Yes, right now they are. By the time the season is over it could very well change. Were we any where near as good in week 3 last year as we were week 17? We're pretty banged up right now and we're still a very young team. Once we get guys like Grant, Wells, Sitton, Hall, Jones, Harris, Bigby and Harrell healthy, this team could take a big step foward. In the mean time we're giving guys like Nelson, Jackson, Williams, Blackmon and Rouse more game experience. Couple that with our coaching staff's reputation for being good teachers and I think our upside is very high. I don't think the Cowboys, as good as they are, have as much room for improvement. I am almost more worried about the Eagles and the Giants.

I was actually very impressed with our defense against the boys. Their 3 big plays where the difference in that game and I don't think 2 of them would have happened if Harris and Bigby were healthy. Those 2 alone would have made a difference in that game. I am not trying to blame the loss on injuries, the Cowboys did look like the better team, but I am not going to concede a loss if we meet them again.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

the one thing i don't see anybody disputing is the fact that Tony G would be an upgrade to our TE position... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DEFENSIVE SIDE OF THE BALL!!! maybe the reason MMs offense doesn't utilize the TE position is b/c he doesn't have one with Tony Gs abilities... whether or not Tony G would get 100 receptions is pointless... we all know with the WRs on this team, its going to be hard for any of them to get that kind of production...

Exactly. Just how much better would this really make us?? We all know that A-Rod has plenty of weapons. If we made any kind of deal (which I doubt we will), I would think it would be to bolster weaker positions, like CB, DL, or OL.

[mraynrand]

I'm not buying it. All this speculation after the guy said he wanted to stay.

Second, neither Witten nor Gonzalez are field stretchers like Keith Jackson was. They don't have the same speed. Both are good, and Witten is a better blocker than Jackson, but it wouldn't have the same impact as Jackson's signing.

Third, TE has not been a focus on McCarthy's offense. Even if the 32 year old figures out the offense, McCarthy isn't going to feed him like Holmgren or Sherman fed the TE. Gonzalez has been the best receiver on the Chiefs for years. Here he would be third. No way, even for a full season does he approach his catch totals from the Chiefs.

Fourth, McCarthy would have to want him bad. A vet like this will need attention from the passing game. He is not going to come here to block in the shotgun.

Last, didn't Thompson already pass up on Gonzalez the last time his contract came up? Or did he resign right away with the Chiefs?

you're right.. itd have a greater impact because Keith Jackson couldn't hold Witten or Gonzo's jock

That statemnt shows one of two things:

1. You a way to young to remember Jackson

or

2. You are just ignorant.

Sorry, but I've got to agree with Pacopete on this one. Keith Jackson was an awesome, awesome announcer - the way he'd say "Fu-u-u-u-u-u-mb-u-u-u-u-l-l!" was enough to bring tears to any fan's eyes. And I've never seen anyone look better in a yellow sports jacket - but I don't recall that he was all that big or fast. I think Gonzo and Witten are probably much better football players, but I bet they can't announce for crap. Not like ol' Keith Jackson.

Woah Nellie! It looks to me like we have a couple of posters who reaaallllly don't like each other very much.

I have to disagree on the Yellow Jacket. The king was Cossell:





"And another long days journey into night for the gifted one, when he had to surmount the mediocrities around him, but at least on this occasion it was exposed to the whole public the utter paucity of talent of a given sportswriter and a given photographer. As John Keats said in his final letter to Fanny Braun, 'Fare thee well friends, I could never gracefully bow.'"