NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

[packerbacker1234]

It's like this every year. We lose a game or two, and the Chicken Littles start wetting the bed.

my thing is, i dont think the sky is falling... this is where i figured this team would be at anyways... a qb away from being a SB contender this season

so you're wrong then.

because this is hardly a team one QB away from being a SB contender. It takes a lot more than a QB -- it starts on the LOS -- and goes from there.

injuries are definitely not helping us and penalties ... wow... ive never remembered them this bad.

Thing is mate, how can you say that? You do realize we were super bowl contedors as recent as last season.What was it, one errant pass in OT away from facing the undefeated patriots? I believe that makes you a super bowl contendor.

What is the ONLY difference between this year and last? The QB.

So, by that logic, yes we are only a QB away from being a super bowl contendor, a certain QB away that was available in PLENTY of time to not cause any issues, but the packers wanted to make it seem like Favre was holding the packers ransom or something.

Your right though, I we are right where I thought we would be. A .500 team with a some signs of life from AR, as well as signs of none existance, and a injury. Didn't everyone say before the season, even after favre was gone, the main concern was Rodgers staying healthy? Well, he got a phantom "shoulder" injury and guess what, he most likely wont be in next wekk,a nd really there is no timetable for the return.

So, while it is year one with AR and he does get some slack, fact remains that with AR, we area .500 ballclub. Either due to how he plays, how the team performs because he is playing, or because he gets hurt. All of the above is happening right now. You have to wonder - Favre with this roster could win last season, but very few fans wanted tog ive him that credit. It was all how the OL just got so much better, Ryan Grant is awesome, and he has the best WR core in the nfl.

Guess what fellas, Favre may have had a lot more to do with our success last year then anyone wants to admit. Sure, maybe we win the Dallas game last year if AR started - too bad he may lost like 7 or 8 other games due to injury/bad play.

Look, I support AR. None of what is happening is fault, in that how he is being treated. Obviously, getting hurt is rarely anyone's fault, it just happens. But AR needs to start facing some reality and getting blaim for his bad play.

Sorry, but if your going to blame a 16 year vet last year for everything under the sun, despite being #2 in MVP votes, a NFC Championship game apperance, and a 13 - 3 record, for a "wasted" season, then you need to start blaiming a 1st year starter for handing other teams wins. This game was ours. No one is immune to scrutiny due to lack of experience. This the NFL, if your starting you are expected to perform well. If you don't, you own up to that.

As I said, I hope AR is ok, he is our best option right now, and obviously it would be nice to see if he can steadily improve over the course of a season. However, it doesn't change the fact that this situation would of never been an issue ahd te packers not sent favre packing when he realized he made a mistake in retiring.

Oh well, life moves on. So shall we.

[MOBB DEEP]

It's like this every year. We lose a game or two, and the Chicken Littles start wetting the bed.

my thing is, i dont think the sky is falling... this is where i figured this team would be at anyways... a qb away from being a SB contender this season

so you're wrong then.

because this is hardly a team one QB away from being a SB contender. It takes a lot more than a QB -- it starts on the LOS -- and goes from there.

injuries are definitely not helping us and penalties ... wow... ive never remembered them this bad.

Thing is mate, how can you say that? You do realize we were super bowl contedors as recent as last season.What was it, one errant pass in OT away from facing the undefeated patriots? I believe that makes you a super bowl contendor.

What is the ONLY difference between this year and last? The QB.

So, by that logic, yes we are only a QB away from being a super bowl contendor, a certain QB away that was available in PLENTY of time to not cause any issues, but the packers wanted to make it seem like Favre was holding the packers ransom or something.

Your right though, I we are right where I thought we would be. A .500 team with a some signs of life from AR, as well as signs of none existance, and a injury. Didn't everyone say before the season, even after favre was gone, the main concern was Rodgers staying healthy? Well, he got a phantom "shoulder" injury and guess what, he most likely wont be in next wekk,a nd really there is no timetable for the return.

So, while it is year one with AR and he does get some slack, fact remains that with AR, we area .500 ballclub. Either due to how he plays, how the team performs because he is playing, or because he gets hurt. All of the above is happening right now. You have to wonder - Favre with this roster could win last season, but very few fans wanted tog ive him that credit. It was all how the OL just got so much better, Ryan Grant is awesome, and he has the best WR core in the nfl.

Guess what fellas, Favre may have had a lot more to do with our success last year then anyone wants to admit. Sure, maybe we win the Dallas game last year if AR started - too bad he may lost like 7 or 8 other games due to injury/bad play.

Look, I support AR. None of what is happening is fault, in that how he is being treated. Obviously, getting hurt is rarely anyone's fault, it just happens. But AR needs to start facing some reality and getting blaim for his bad play.

Sorry, but if your going to blame a 16 year vet last year for everything under the sun, despite being #2 in MVP votes, a NFC Championship game apperance, and a 13 - 3 record, for a "wasted" season, then you need to start blaiming a 1st year starter for handing other teams wins. This game was ours. No one is immune to scrutiny due to lack of experience. This the NFL, if your starting you are expected to perform well. If you don't, you own up to that.

As I said, I hope AR is ok, he is our best option right now, and obviously it would be nice to see if he can steadily improve over the course of a season. However, it doesn't change the fact that this situation would of never been an issue ahd te packers not sent favre packing when he realized he made a mistake in retiring.

Oh well, life moves on. So shall we.

stop writing so much; especially common sense stuff

[SkinBasket]

It's amazing how a loss brings out all the fuckers who've been waiting years to be right about something. I guess being a dog's anus is tough work, so we should all let them have their time, though.

[th87]

The Favre trolls are out, and their nipples are hard.

why are we trolls when we were right about the situation.. the packers front office can be wrong in situations and as fans we have that right to be pissed off about it... today was a great telling sign of the difference between what we had and what we have.... and that just fuckin sucks IMO

What I love is the management trolls "guys, the management can't be wrong because this is what they are payed to do!".

I'll always give credit the management knows more about things football related then any fan, but it doesn't mean they are infallible to making mistakes. Letting Favre go is starting to look like a mistake if they wanted to win this year. It's not about seeing what you have in Rodgers - if this is the case with players why don't we just cut Woodson and Harris to see what we have Pat Lee and Tramon Williams as a tandum? Jeese, why didn't the Giants just cut Strahan since he was pretty much "retired" until a week before the season last year?

(to note, Favre retiring, then saying he wants to play a full month before training camp, is a much better situation then having a star player say he doesn't know if he wants to retire or not... and not making a decision until a week before the season starts.)

I don't know if our record would be any better with favre, but one has to assume the offense would be playing much better.

Oh, and I do apologize on my minnesota comments, he did indeed have 2 td's. However, I still stand by my "he didn't win the game". Guess what, Favre didn't win the lastgame for the jets either. Winning to game is when your down late and have to put the team on your back to get the win.

Rodgers hasn't done that yet,a nd he's had three games over the last two seasons in which we needed him to do so.

How can you tell it was a mistake? Sure didn't look like a mistake two weeks ago. That's reality. Favre will have good games, Favre will have bad games, Rodgers will have good games, and Rodgers will have bad games. Sometimes, at the moment, it'll look like the wrong decision was made. It's way too early to judge whether it was a mistake or not.

Tramon Williams and Pat Lee will still get to play (gain experience) if Harris and Woodson are healthy. The guy behind Strahan would still get experience if Strahan came back. If Favre came back, Rodgers would gain no experience. You know that, so I don't know why I needed to address this.

It can be argued that Rodgers had 3 TDs that Minnesota game. Moll being ineligible downfield didn't give us an advantage on that play, and the defense was still playing, so that was also a reflection of Rodgers' skill.

Rodgers won the Detroit game. We were behind.

[th87]

Also, I'd like someone to address the fact that the Giants put 8 in the box in the NFCCG, daring Favre to beat them with one on one coverage.

Favre was woefully inaccurate and couldn't.

Thus, we couldn't run.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Favre

But let's remember there were a few of us who saw it coming. There were a few of us who said Favre carried this team and that without him things would change. A few of us knew it was Favre and not McCarthy's scheme that led to a great season.

And there were also a few of us who realized just how damn close we were and what we needed to take the next step. Thompson should have been on Favre's door a week after the season ended with a plan to fix our run game problems that NY exploited. There should have been some money commited to at least one of the big name o-lineman that were out there.

1. It was a team effort last year. Favre was simply a big cog in the machine. TT thought replacing the big cog (which only has a year left before it needs replacing) with a slightly smaller cog (which could have years of solid functionality and could grow) would be the more prudent decision. Last year, the line showed up. This year, it hasn't. That's big.

2. We weren't "damn close" last year. We were there. Everything was ours for the taking, but we blew it. Why didn't the run game work? The Giants put 8 in the box on every play. Watch it again. They basically dared Favre to beat them one on one, and he was too inaccurate to do it. Favre (and Harris) lost us that game.

The line didn't show up last year, either. Or lest we forget for 8 to 9 games starting out (when we were, you know, undefeated) the line couldn't run block worth crap, and favre was getting tossed around like a rag doll. (he wasn't sacked, just hit A LOT). Thats why I wont throw it all on the line, even if it is a concern. A big cog didn't change to a slightly smaller. It's a significantly smaller cog. You can't replace a 16 year hall of fame QB who just went to the NFC championship game with an unproven 1st year starter and claim it's only a slightly smalelr cog. Thats a pretty significantly smaller cog to this problem.

Anyone still want to debate that Favre was a big reason our OL looked decent last season?

[retailguy]

Re: Favre

Anyone still want to debate that Favre was a big reason our OL looked decent last season?

Anytime, anyplace.

Quite honestly, if you can't see the difference between Favre and Rodgers, your mother dropped you on your head one too many times as a child.

Favre, in 16 seasons, had seen it all, and could spot, BEFORE THE BALL was snapped if things weren't looking good. To expect Rodgers to have that vision at this point, is utterly ridiculous.

As you stated earlier, you are going to "compare" Rodgers to Favre. Fine, but everytime I compare unequal things to each other, I get a bullshit result, as will you. It doesn't make you more insightful, it just makes you look foolish.

Expecting the line to "step it up" during the transition from a 16 year HOF veteran to a 1st year starter is reasonable, whether it's my opinion or not. Comparing Favre to Rodgers, just because they're both quarterbacks? RIDICULOUS. Rodgers needs a line he can depend on, until then, he's going to struggle. Favre? Well, his experience will help him overcome adversity. Expecting that out of Rodgers? Yep, in 2011, I'm right behind you.

[Zool]

Re: Favre

Anytime, anyplace.

Quite honestly, if you can't see the difference between Favre and Rodgers, your mother dropped you on your head one too many times as a child.

So now you insult people who are share your opinion?

[retailguy]

Re: Favre

Anytime, anyplace.

Quite honestly, if you can't see the difference between Favre and Rodgers, your mother dropped you on your head one too many times as a child.

So now you insult people who are share your opinion?

Huh? He thinks these losses are RODGERS fault. That's not my opinion. Not at all. What are you reading?

[Zool]

Well I'll just shut up. I thought he was blaming the line.

You may now return to calling him a moron.

[Kyle.McCarroll]

Also, I'd like someone to address the fact that the Giants put 8 in the box in the NFCCG, daring Favre to beat them with one on one coverage.

Favre was woefully inaccurate and couldn't.

Thus, we couldn't run.

Oh yeah, he said it.

[retailguy]

Well I'll just shut up. I thought he was blaming the line.

You may now return to calling him a moron.

Nah, he thinks the line is fine. The fact that Favre did fine behind the line is the proof. I just don't see it.

I guess you could hot rod a yugo and call it a corvette too, but I don't think that will work either.

Rodgers needs "TIME", and a good line. "MY opinion" is that if he gets that, he'll be fine. If he doesn't? Well, it's gonna be ugly.

[prsnfoto]

Also, I'd like someone to address the fact that the Giants put 8 in the box in the NFCCG, daring Favre to beat them with one on one coverage.

Favre was woefully inaccurate and couldn't

Thus, we couldn't run.

This woefully B.S.

Favre had a 100 QB rating at the half and finished with 70 as the weather grew worse Manning's was 72 for the game hardly a huge difference we had no running game we had no blocking we got very little pressure on Manning and Plaxico made Al his BITCHHHHHHHH! And lastly Brett did not play well in the SECOND half and Manning was just average all day. DIFFERENCE Manning had a run game, had a defense that got pressure rushing 3 and 4 , had a coaching staff that was better at adjustments, had a secondary with the likes of players compared to our Rouse, Bigby, Williams and Bush that shut our great receivers down. Championships are won up front with great O and D line play thiers were vastly better. Yes Brett threw a bad pass at the end and we still had a chance but as we saw yesterday A-Rod is capable of making stupid passes also he should have had three taken to the house and 5 total if Brooks doesn't have hands of stone.

[Packnut]

BS

The Giants were not playing 8 in the box in the NFC championship game. That is nothing but a plain lie. For the billionth time, yes Fave played a below average game, but it all started with McCarthy and his screwed up game plan and his in-ablity to adjust.

It just amazes me how ignorant some people are not to mention stubborn. The oldest saying in the NFL is run the ball and stop the run. We did NEITHER in that game and THAT is the reason we lost, yet these brain dead fools continue to blame Favre for that loss.

As for giving this o-line ANY credit for the success Grant had last season, that idea is laughable. Defenses feared Brett Favre plain and simple. Not one defense went into a game saying "we have to stop Ryan Grant". The mantra was "we have to stop Brett favre". This o-line is freakin terrible. They are very weak and get pushed around quite often.

Some people only see what they want to see, despite the facts looking them in the face.

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Look, you guys can make up all the BS you want. The facts support my opinion. We went from a team 1 play away from a SB to a team with several major problems that will not be fixed over-night.

All I'm saying is that the 3 stooges (Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy) need to be held accountable. Stop making excuses for them and deal with the facts as they are. Being a loyal Packer fan does not mean being blind and accepting everything they tell us as gospel. We have a right as loyal Packer fans to expect the very best from this organization. We are not getting that.

Serious mistakes have been made. We have no one in this organization who has the ability to evaluate offensive lineman. We have a defensive coordinator who's entire scheme is vanilla and easy to game-plan for. We have a coach who's play-calling more often than not is very in-consistent. We have a ZBS that clearly does not work in ANY short yardage situations. The list goes on and on...............

[Zool]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

I agree. That throw that Favre made to Favre in OT against the Bronco's was awesome. I just had a gut feeling when Favre playfaked to Favre that it was going to be a bomb. Plus the Fab Favre Five on the o-line blocked that play well.