NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

[Carolina_Packer]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

I agree. That throw that Favre made to Favre in OT against the Bronco's was awesome. I just had a gut feeling when Favre playfaked to Favre that it was going to be a bomb. Plus the Fab Favre Five on the o-line blocked that play well.

Geez, Z, when you put it like that, he really did it all.

Geez, I guess the comparisons between "what might have been" and "what is" continue. I prefer to talk about present reality. Everyone knows that bird has flown, but certain folks still like to come out and say, "this or that could have happened this year." Who knows? For some of us, who cares. We are what we are as a team. Obviously we aren't as good as we thought we were after the first two weeks, but we're not as bad as we have been the last two weeks either. Obviously some things need to happen/develop over the course of the season:

1. We need to get more pressure at critical times from the defense to get them off the field and not let them wear down by games end.

2. We need to pass protect a bit better to give A-Rod some time to set-up in the pocket and not have to roll-out so much to buy time, and keep more drives alive longer to help the defense.

3. We need the running game to pick up and compliment the offense so that it's something for the opposing defense to be concerned about, not something to write off because the Packers give up on it (mostly). Gotta get this one right and fast. That will help the passing game big time.

4. We are banged up for sure, and that might have something to do with the results we've been seeing.

Favre was great, he's gone, I can only root for the team we have, unless I'm into watching old game film, but the season end results are always the same. It's fun to remember, but I gotta root for what we have/who we are right now.

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: BS

The Giants were not playing 8 in the box in the NFC championship game. That is nothing but a plain lie. For the billionth time, yes Fave played a below average game, but it all started with McCarthy and his screwed up game plan and his in-ablity to adjust.

It just amazes me how ignorant some people are not to mention stubborn. The oldest saying in the NFL is run the ball and stop the run. We did NEITHER in that game and THAT is the reason we lost, yet these brain dead fools continue to blame Favre for that loss.

As for giving this o-line ANY credit for the success Grant had last season, that idea is laughable. Defenses feared Brett Favre plain and simple. Not one defense went into a game saying "we have to stop Ryan Grant". The mantra was "we have to stop Brett favre". This o-line is freakin terrible. They are very weak and get pushed around quite often.

Some people only see what they want to see, despite the facts looking them in the face.

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Look, you guys can make up all the BS you want. The facts support my opinion. We went from a team 1 play away from a SB to a team with several major problems that will not be fixed over-night.

All I'm saying is that the 3 stooges (Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy) need to be held accountable. Stop making excuses for them and deal with the facts as they are. Being a loyal Packer fan does not mean being blind and accepting everything they tell us as gospel. We have a right as loyal Packer fans to expect the very best from this organization. We are not getting that.

Serious mistakes have been made. We have no one in this organization who has the ability to evaluate offensive lineman. We have a defensive coordinator who's entire scheme is vanilla and easy to game-plan for. We have a coach who's play-calling more often than not is very in-consistent. We have a ZBS that clearly does not work in ANY short yardage situations. The list goes on and on...............

QFT

[LEWCWA]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

DUDE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACTS:

A-Rod had a decent game against the Vikes. One passing TD, and one rushing TD. Not exactly a day of offensive fire power.

He started out hot against Detroit. Detroit. One more time. Detroit. Then, the offense stalled so bad Detroit took the lead with 5 minutes left. Had it not been for Chuck, we would have LOST and been the joke of the league for giving up a huge lead to Detroit. Sure, statistically it was a fine outting, but stats don't tell the whole story when the team starts out hots then cools down to ice.

Against Dallas he played pretty bad imo. He didn't lose the game but he certainly didn't do anything to make it close.

Today he was awful. Say what you will, but I'm a realist. He's been OK so far after a dynamic preseason.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about LEWCWA and his ilk who were mysteriously missing when ARod was doing well but suddenly show up and bash when ARod has struggled. If you don't have the guts to come on when ARod is doing well and say so, you have no right to bash him when he struggles.

show me where I bashed arod......I think he is good, I think Favre is better.

Lewcwa... you are not alone my friend...


i've been here the entire time, talked good about arod when he did well but anytime you say a bad thing about him... ur a troll! haha it makes zero sense...

. You have even admitting you are a troll. There is a difference between critiquing ARods performance, which is fine, and blatant trolling like the pathetic little weasel you are. You want me to pull up all your cheap shots and gloating?

Would you please. You have no clue what you are talking about. I have admitted being a troll, now that is funny. Since I have been here longer than you have. I have been part of this group at JS, then to the christian site, then here. So don't you fucking dare to smear my name. You can spout your bogus opinions on here about football all you want, but when you start blatantly lieing about me we have a problem.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

[LEWCWA]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

[MOBB DEEP]

OH SNAP, espn reports that bucs game plan was to make arod beat them not the run game...

imagine a team over the past 16 years "planning" that vs pack...LMAO

[gex]

Re: BS

The Giants were not playing 8 in the box in the NFC championship game. That is nothing but a plain lie. For the billionth time, yes Fave played a below average game, but it all started with McCarthy and his screwed up game plan and his in-ablity to adjust.

It just amazes me how ignorant some people are not to mention stubborn. The oldest saying in the NFL is run the ball and stop the run. We did NEITHER in that game and THAT is the reason we lost, yet these brain dead fools continue to blame Favre for that loss.

As for giving this o-line ANY credit for the success Grant had last season, that idea is laughable. Defenses feared Brett Favre plain and simple. Not one defense went into a game saying "we have to stop Ryan Grant". The mantra was "we have to stop Brett favre". This o-line is freakin terrible. They are very weak and get pushed around quite often.

Some people only see what they want to see, despite the facts looking them in the face.

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Look, you guys can make up all the BS you want. The facts support my opinion. We went from a team 1 play away from a SB to a team with several major problems that will not be fixed over-night.

All I'm saying is that the 3 stooges (Murphy, Thompson and McCarthy) need to be held accountable. Stop making excuses for them and deal with the facts as they are. Being a loyal Packer fan does not mean being blind and accepting everything they tell us as gospel. We have a right as loyal Packer fans to expect the very best from this organization. We are not getting that.

Serious mistakes have been made. We have no one in this organization who has the ability to evaluate offensive lineman. We have a defensive coordinator who's entire scheme is vanilla and easy to game-plan for. We have a coach who's play-calling more often than not is very in-consistent. We have a ZBS that clearly does not work in ANY short yardage situations. The list goes on and on...............

How very true.

[cpk1994]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

DUDE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACTS:

A-Rod had a decent game against the Vikes. One passing TD, and one rushing TD. Not exactly a day of offensive fire power.

He started out hot against Detroit. Detroit. One more time. Detroit. Then, the offense stalled so bad Detroit took the lead with 5 minutes left. Had it not been for Chuck, we would have LOST and been the joke of the league for giving up a huge lead to Detroit. Sure, statistically it was a fine outting, but stats don't tell the whole story when the team starts out hots then cools down to ice.

Against Dallas he played pretty bad imo. He didn't lose the game but he certainly didn't do anything to make it close.

Today he was awful. Say what you will, but I'm a realist. He's been OK so far after a dynamic preseason.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about LEWCWA and his ilk who were mysteriously missing when ARod was doing well but suddenly show up and bash when ARod has struggled. If you don't have the guts to come on when ARod is doing well and say so, you have no right to bash him when he struggles.

show me where I bashed arod......I think he is good, I think Favre is better.

Lewcwa... you are not alone my friend...


i've been here the entire time, talked good about arod when he did well but anytime you say a bad thing about him... ur a troll! haha it makes zero sense...

. You have even admitting you are a troll. There is a difference between critiquing ARods performance, which is fine, and blatant trolling like the pathetic little weasel you are. You want me to pull up all your cheap shots and gloating?

Would you please. You have no clue what you are talking about. I have admitted being a troll, now that is funny. Since I have been here longer than you have. I have been part of this group at JS, then to the christian site, then here. So don't you fucking dare to smear my name. You can spout your bogus opinions on here about football all you want, but when you start blatantly lieing about me we have a problem.

Umm Enjoy eating your foot as I was responding to Pete. You need to take a closer look at who's post I responded to.

[Harlan Huckleby]

my thing is, i dont think the sky is falling... this is where i figured this team would be at anyways... a qb away from being a SB contender this season

Except they were a QB away from being a SB participant last year. Favre played crappy in the championship game.

I don't see the 2008 packers a QB away from being a contender. They have problems in both lines. The defensive line is playing well, its just a question of depth there. But we'll see.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

I don't think everyone here passes off opinions as facts. I'd say its a pretty small minority. I don't think I've ever seen you do it.

[LEWCWA]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

I don't think everyone here passes off opinions as facts. I'd say its a pretty small minority. I don't think I've ever seen you do it.

Virtually everything I post is my opinion. I usually preface it that way though. Unlike some others. Thing that pisses me off around here is every opinion you have, gets a negative comment from someone and more often than not it is attached to some sort of statement questioning your IQ. Not just a disagreement.

[LEWCWA]

Re: NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND

This is why you don't trade Favre. Rodgers goes down and the Pack is screwed.

TT should have brought in a vet backup.

Why did you not create a thread "NOW WE SHOULD ALL UNDERSTAND" after Rodgers had good games? Aren't the lessons there equally valid.

This is loser stuff.

Becuae he is one that has been raking TT over the coasls for Favre and now the gutless wonder has come to gloat. Kind of funny he was nowhere to be found when ARod was doing well. Until they do, these idiots have no credibility.

DUDE. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FACTS:

A-Rod had a decent game against the Vikes. One passing TD, and one rushing TD. Not exactly a day of offensive fire power.

He started out hot against Detroit. Detroit. One more time. Detroit. Then, the offense stalled so bad Detroit took the lead with 5 minutes left. Had it not been for Chuck, we would have LOST and been the joke of the league for giving up a huge lead to Detroit. Sure, statistically it was a fine outting, but stats don't tell the whole story when the team starts out hots then cools down to ice.

Against Dallas he played pretty bad imo. He didn't lose the game but he certainly didn't do anything to make it close.

Today he was awful. Say what you will, but I'm a realist. He's been OK so far after a dynamic preseason.

I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about LEWCWA and his ilk who were mysteriously missing when ARod was doing well but suddenly show up and bash when ARod has struggled. If you don't have the guts to come on when ARod is doing well and say so, you have no right to bash him when he struggles.

show me where I bashed arod......I think he is good, I think Favre is better.

Lewcwa... you are not alone my friend...


i've been here the entire time, talked good about arod when he did well but anytime you say a bad thing about him... ur a troll! haha it makes zero sense...

. You have even admitting you are a troll. There is a difference between critiquing ARods performance, which is fine, and blatant trolling like the pathetic little weasel you are. You want me to pull up all your cheap shots and gloating?

Would you please. You have no clue what you are talking about. I have admitted being a troll, now that is funny. Since I have been here longer than you have. I have been part of this group at JS, then to the christian site, then here. So don't you fucking dare to smear my name. You can spout your bogus opinions on here about football all you want, but when you start blatantly lieing about me we have a problem.

Umm Enjoy eating your foot as I was responding to Pete. You need to take a closer look at who's post I responded to.

I see you calling me out all over the place. Your an ass and that is my OPINION.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

I don't think everyone here passes off opinions as facts. I'd say its a pretty small minority. I don't think I've ever seen you do it.

Virtually everything I post is my opinion. I usually preface it that way though. Unlike some others. Thing that pisses me off around here is every opinion you have, gets a negative comment from someone and more often than not it is attached to some sort of statement questioning your IQ. Not just a disagreement.

Hey, it takes all kinds. I try not to question somebodies IQ, unless they imply that disagreeing with their viewpoint makes the reader a moron. At that point, they're fair game.

That's why I always enjoyed Wist. I damn near never agreed with him, but he was always respectful of other viewpoints.

[Joemailman]

Re: BS

Fact: Brett Favre, not MM or TT made this a 13-3 team last season.

Fact: Brett Favre made everyone around him a better player. He made the line look better with his ability to get rid of the ball. I remember arguing this point with several "know it alls" that dominate this forum. They claimed it was only part Favre. Well how many sacks with Mr Rodgers? It was ALL Favre!

Fact: Brett Favre's abilty to hurt teams through the air opened the run game up. How many yards do we have rushing? How well has Grant done.

Fact: This would be a better team with Favre right now than it is with Rodgers. This team is sloppy and mistake prone. It's the same players so why? What has changed from last season to this? Brett Favre perhaps????

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

I don't think everyone here passes off opinions as facts. I'd say its a pretty small minority. I don't think I've ever seen you do it.

Anyone who does it is a moron, and that's a fact.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: BS

Trying to pass off one's opinions as fact is kind of funny.

like everyone else here.

I don't think everyone here passes off opinions as facts. I'd say its a pretty small minority. I don't think I've ever seen you do it.

Anyone who does it is a moron, and that's a fact.

I agree with your opinion.