(Non-knee jerk) I don't think MM should call the plays

[mission]

I love him as our coach, our leader, etc ... I'm very happy with MM in general...

But I think we need an offensive coordinator (not a practice lackey with a business card)... MM can work on schemes and formations all week (he likes to think a lot) but we need someone else making decisions from play to play.

I think he's a mediocre play caller at best. Every game we talk about it and every game we seem to isolate it to that specific game.

It's a trend and it seems like luck when it isn't brought up in conversation. So, just like players have strengths and weaknesses, I'm no longer saying it's fluke. It's just not one of his strengths.

Disagree?

[PackerTimer]

Re: (Non-knee jerk) I don't think MM should call the plays

I love him as our coach, our leader, etc ... I'm very happy with MM in general...

But I think we need an offensive coordinator (not a practice lackey with a business card)... MM can work on schemes and formations all week (he likes to think a lot) but we need someone else making decisions from play to play.

I think he's a mediocre play caller at best. Every game we talk about it and every game we seem to isolate it to that specific game.

It's a trend and it seems like luck when it isn't brought up in conversation. So, just like players have strengths and weaknesses, I'm no longer saying it's fluke. It's just not one of his strengths.

Disagree?

This is tough me for me. It's hard to evaluate MM's playcalling because the exectuion (the O-Line play in particular) has been abysmal. I'm starting think the execution hasn't been there more so than the playcalling.

There are so many examples of this. Jones drop in the red zone last week, Jennings had a huge drop at the end of the first half, Jackson with a drop that led to a pick, the offensive line blocking has been terrible on both run and pass play.

[mission]

Had to?

[channtheman]

Totally agree with you. McCarthy has played scared in almost every close game to the point where if the other team doesn't hand us the win we will lose. Even in game we should blow the other team out, he somehow manages to make them nailbiters.

[cheesner]

Totally agree with you. McCarthy has played scared in almost every close game to the point where if the other team doesn't hand us the win we will lose. Even in game we should blow the other team out, he somehow manages to make them nailbiters.

Played scared?

He called a pass on a 4th down play to a player that has never caught a pass in an NFL game before. You think he is scared? What games are you watching? The Packers were on the aggressive side the last few series.

[mission]

Totally agree with you. McCarthy has played scared in almost every close game to the point where if the other team doesn't hand us the win we will lose. Even in game we should blow the other team out, he somehow manages to make them nailbiters.

Played scared?

He called a pass on a 4th down play to a player that has never caught a pass in an NFL game before. You think he is scared? What games are you watching? The Packers were on the aggressive side the last few series.

"Playing" aside, we're referring to his lack of killer instinct and his ability to finish games.

First quarter/half tom foolery is one thing, but actually doing that shit late in the game or just playing with a "run up the score mentality" are two very different things.

It seems like MM likes to have his couple trickeryish plays in the first half (that he's spent all week scheming up all evil-genius-like), they dont work and then he goes back to "whatever" when there's more pressure.

He hasn't showed any sign of this changing either.

We have the makings of a very explosive, pass 60/40 kind of team but MM isn't scheming like that. He wants to be a run team ... he's like a tranvestite of football coaches... he has some identity issues.

[Pacopete4]

Totally agree with you. McCarthy has played scared in almost every close game to the point where if the other team doesn't hand us the win we will lose. Even in game we should blow the other team out, he somehow manages to make them nailbiters.

Played scared?

He called a pass on a 4th down play to a player that has never caught a pass in an NFL game before. You think he is scared? What games are you watching? The Packers were on the aggressive side the last few series.

"Playing" aside, we're referring to his lack of killer instinct and his ability to finish games.

First quarter/half tom foolery is one thing, but actually doing that shit late in the game or just playing with a "run up the score mentality" are two very different things.

It seems like MM likes to have his couple trickeryish plays in the first half (that he's spent all week scheming up all evil-genius-like), they dont work and then he goes back to "whatever" when there's more pressure.

He hasn't showed any sign of this changing either.

We have the makings of a very explosive, pass 60/40 kind of team but MM isn't scheming like that. He wants to be a run team ... he's like a tranvestite of football coaches... he has some identity issues.

haha that is just too funny.. i love it

[channtheman]

Totally agree with you. McCarthy has played scared in almost every close game to the point where if the other team doesn't hand us the win we will lose. Even in game we should blow the other team out, he somehow manages to make them nailbiters.

Played scared?

He called a pass on a 4th down play to a player that has never caught a pass in an NFL game before. You think he is scared? What games are you watching? The Packers were on the aggressive side the last few series.

When it mattered the most today he called a screen pass to Jackson on 3rd and 10. I also don't consider throwing the ball to someone who has never caught a pass smart. (Not saying you do) On 4th and 1, then you call the 3 yard pass to Jackson. McCarthy doesn't make good decisions and him playing scared at the end of close games is becoming a problem.

[gbgary]

Re: (Non-knee jerk) I don't think MM should call the plays

I love him as our coach, our leader, etc ... I'm very happy with MM in general...

But I think we need an offensive coordinator (not a practice lackey with a business card)... MM can work on schemes and formations all week (he likes to think a lot) but we need someone else making decisions from play to play.

I think he's a mediocre play caller at best. Every game we talk about it and every game we seem to isolate it to that specific game.

It's a trend and it seems like luck when it isn't brought up in conversation. So, just like players have strengths and weaknesses, I'm no longer saying it's fluke. It's just not one of his strengths.

Disagree?

i said the same thing in the game thread on oct 12. they need to get a true west-coast offensive coordinator and let him call the plays. i've never been a fan of his play calling.

[cpk1994]

I disagree entirely. If the players excecute just a couple of plays better(the screen pass for one), the Packers win and every talks about how McCarthy called a great game. Also, to say that McCarthy calls the game scared is pure idoicy. The 4th an 1 call has been mentioned as an example, The main reason its idiotic is the fact that its really easy to say he "calls scared" in hindsight becuase the play he did call didn't quite work out. That screen pass has worked in the past and will in the future. IT didn't work today. Oh well, Thats football.
What is earie is that I remember having these conversations about some guy named Holmgren. He seemed to do really well around these parts.

[Merlin]

McCarthy has dialed up some real stinkers in his short stint as a head coach. Although there were a lot of mistakes offensively. Rodgers had several misfires out there, mostly because he was afraid he was going to get killed after starting the game on the first play on his ass. It took some time for him to calm down after that, and who could blame the guy? There were some dropped balls and some missed blocks. I don't know a lot about Philben (sp?) and you sure don't hear a lot from him. Is there a reason we have an offensive coordinator? It's obvious the offense is McCarthy's and the play calling wasn't very creative at all, it usually never is. They usually execute better though. Give TN some credit, they played a good game defensively.

[MadtownPacker]

I've criticized M3 for not maximizing the offense's passing potential but today he called a good game. The players on the field just didn't execute. The plays looked like they where there to me. The timing was just off. Maybe it was the week off who knows but things just didn't look synchronized out there. Early this week I called for an aggressive game plan with shots down the field to put up points early. That's what the Pack tried to do but the big plays didn't happen today. I don't think the Titans DBs had much to do with it either.

Can't say a coach who went for it 2X on 4th down didn't play for the win.

[Tarlam!]

Good discusssion.

This, I feel, is where we miss the last QB the most. It was well documented that M3 designed plays last season with different options. Favre would call the play and change it accordingly at the line if he didn't like the look the defense was showing.

Not sure if we have that additional depth yet with A-Rod. He started his 8th NFL yesterday. It would be a lot to expect of him.

[The Gunshooter]

I've criticized M3 for not maximizing the offense's passing potential but today he called a good game. The players on the field just didn't execute. The plays looked like they where there to me. The timing was just off. Maybe it was the week off who knows but things just didn't look synchronized out there. Early this week I called for an aggressive game plan with shots down the field to put up points early. That's what the Pack tried to do but the big plays didn't happen today. I don't think the Titans DBs had much to do with it either.

Can't say a coach who went for it 2X on 4th down didn't play for the win.

Rodgers has not been practicing much and that is a big reason they were out of sync. They appeared to me to be the better team yesterday but they just could not take advantage of their opportunities. They lost mainly because Rodgers made too many mistakes. He cost them 13 points.

As far as MM is concerned it's hard to think on your feet and I don't see GB doing it well whether it's the players or the coaches. MM is not maximizing their talent. GB should be 6-2 right now even with all the injuries.

On the first fourth down GB was going to run right. That was very predictible considering the game plan was obviously to run at Kearse and that's how they got across midfield in the first place. TN overloaded that side and forced AR to call timeout. At that point I punt because momentum and the element of suprise is gone. Everyone knew they had to throw then. The correct call in the first place would of been to run left. You can't run the same way over and over against a team like TN. A good coach will adjust and you will be screwed.

Then MM broke a cardinal rule at the end of regulation when he played for the tie on the road.

Stuff like that adds up to 4-4.

[MJZiggy]

Dude, you're making wist sound positively upbeat.

Tar, last I heard, they didn't dumb down the offense at all for Rodgers. He should have the same choices Favre had last year but he likey doesn't exercise as many of them.