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  • #16
    Originally posted by The Gunshooter
    They lost mainly because Rodgers made too many mistakes. He cost them 13 points.
    Only if you expect him to be flawless on every single play, which is an unreasonable standard for any player, and not one that is ever brought up for anyone except QBs.

    I don't know where your 13 points come from, the two turnovers lead to only 3; so I assume your other 10 come from incompletions he threw.

    You could just as easily say that Jennings made too many mistakes and cost the Packers 14 points. Per the announcers, he did not come out of his move hard, and slowed up on the deep pass in the first half that was barely overthrown. On the last drive he didn't fight hard enough through a brief, weak pass interference grab on his arm and didn't catch a perfectly thrown pass. It was against his body anyway, and could have been held with a good, not even great, catch.

    If you apply the same standards to Jennings as you do to Rodgers, you can blame him for the loss. Truth is, there is a lot of "blame" to be shared among the players and the coaches in most losses, and certainly in this one.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Patler
      Originally posted by The Gunshooter
      They lost mainly because Rodgers made too many mistakes. He cost them 13 points.
      Only if you expect him to be flawless on every single play, which is an unreasonable standard for any player, and not one that is ever brought up for anyone except QBs.

      I don't know where your 13 points come from, the two turnovers lead to only 3; so I assume your other 10 come from incompletions he threw.

      You could just as easily say that Jennings made too many mistakes and cost the Packers 14 points. Per the announcers, he did not come out of his move hard, and slowed up on the deep pass in the first half that was barely overthrown. On the last drive he didn't fight hard enough through a brief, weak pass interference grab on his arm and didn't catch a perfectly thrown pass. It was against his body anyway, and could have been held with a good, not even great, catch.

      If you apply the same standards to Jennings as you do to Rodgers, you can blame him for the loss. Truth is, there is a lot of "blame" to be shared among the players and the coaches in most losses, and certainly in this one.
      The only way GB can win is if Rodgers is perfect. They just are not a good team. They are more like mediocre under achievers and they can forget the playoffs until they learn to quit taking turns with the mental errors.

      There is a lot of blame to go around but Rodgers' mistakes were the most crucial.

      Jenning was running a deep button hook and when he saw no one was behind him he took off. He is a glider so maybe he looks like he isn't running full speed but he is. Rodgers needs to learn to take his time and put air under that pass and it is a easy TD.

      He held the ball too long and didn't see the guy right in front of him and failed to protect the ball. That's 3.

      The momentum killing interception cost at least 3. That's 13.

      I saw other mistakes from him also. He made some plays but he has to play better.

      Rodgers admitted the loss was on him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Gunshooter

        Rodgers admitted the loss was on him.
        Of course he did, because it is the right thing to say.

        But the other Packers also accepted blame, including Jennings who said that he felt there was interference on the long pass at the end of the game, but that he still should have caught it.

        “I still have to make that play, regardless of whatever the situation is,” Jennings said. “I thought it was pass interference, but I was more upset that I didn’t still come down with the ball. That’s the kind of play you have to make. Crucial situation, I’ve got to make that play.”
        The first long pass to Jennings was barely over thrown. It was on a perfect line to Jennings. Its hard to criticize Rodgers on a long pass that was that close to being completed. And if Jennings hesitated or slowed at all you can't blame Rodgers at all. To say Rodgers cost them a TD on that is expecting way too much from any QB.

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        • #19
          If Obama loses Wisconsin tomorrow, I blame Aaron Rodgers.
          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

          KYPack

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          • #20
            ya Rodgers blew in this game at various points but I'm ok with that.. bad plays are going to happen.. what I'm not ok with is that he still had the ball in his hands in a tie game with time dwindling and he failed to get us points.... again... starting to become a trend and im getting sick of it


            i dont caaaaaaare how pretty his stats are... i want him to dig in and gets us some fuckin points when this team needs it.. i dont care if other players break down, i want him to be the rock of this team and so far, he hasnt been... hes just another player

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Fritz
              If Obama loses Wisconsin tomorrow, I blame Aaron Rodgers.

              If Obama wins, I blame Aaron Rodgers.

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              • #22
                As far as M3's playcalling goes, everytime I see him make a call that I may think of as kinda stupid, I go back to the game against SanDiego last season. Anyone remember that stupidity? In the red zone, on the goal line, M3 calls for a 5 WR set, no RB, nobody in the backfield at all. ..............on 4'th down!!!

                Sorry, but to me, that was fuckin crazy. The game was on the line, and the only reason that the game was not lost in the end, was because special teams made a play on a fumble during a kickoff. Pure dumb luck won that game, not M3's playcalling.

                At 4-4 on the season at the midway point, M3 hasn't shown me shit yet. As far as I am concerned, his job should be on the line.

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                • #23
                  Why aren't we seeing more Ryan Grant around the goalline-
                  he's back and running hard, give the guy a chance to score McCarthy
                  To much of a good thing is an awesome thing

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                  • #24
                    I think the biggest problem with McCarthy is that he is WAY too predictable. On first and goal he always seems to run out of the running package. No surprise there. Where is the play action QB roll out? Why not give Rodgers an option to run, pass, or throw it away? McCarthy is a very predictable play caller, especially down at the goal line. He always seems to run on 1st down at the goal line. Then the next 2 plays are passes and everyone knows they are passes because we line up in our passing formation leaving absolutely no guessing for the opposing defense.

                    Answer this for me anyone, if I can correctly call pass or run on almost every offensive play for the Packers, then do you think that a defense who has been studying that offense all week will have any trouble at all?

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Patler
                      Originally posted by The Gunshooter

                      Rodgers admitted the loss was on him.
                      Of course he did, because it is the right thing to say.

                      But the other Packers also accepted blame, including Jennings who said that he felt there was interference on the long pass at the end of the game, but that he still should have caught it.

                      “I still have to make that play, regardless of whatever the situation is,” Jennings said. “I thought it was pass interference, but I was more upset that I didn’t still come down with the ball. That’s the kind of play you have to make. Crucial situation, I’ve got to make that play.”
                      The first long pass to Jennings was barely over thrown. It was on a perfect line to Jennings. Its hard to criticize Rodgers on a long pass that was that close to being completed. And if Jennings hesitated or slowed at all you can't blame Rodgers at all. To say Rodgers cost them a TD on that is expecting way too much from any QB.
                      You don't get it do you? On passes over the shoulder you want arc on the ball so it drops in, like shooting free throws. For example, Finley ran a bad route but the way Rodgers threw it he had almost no chance. He throws a pretty spiral but he needs to figure out how to put some touch on his passes when called for.

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                      • #26
                        What the coach said:

                        Doesn't agree with Jermichael Finley's comment that the throw shouldn't have been to his back shoulder. Finley had a poor release, was too high. Practice that play all the time.
                        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by The Gunshooter
                          Originally posted by Patler
                          Originally posted by The Gunshooter

                          Rodgers admitted the loss was on him.
                          Of course he did, because it is the right thing to say.

                          But the other Packers also accepted blame, including Jennings who said that he felt there was interference on the long pass at the end of the game, but that he still should have caught it.

                          “I still have to make that play, regardless of whatever the situation is,” Jennings said. “I thought it was pass interference, but I was more upset that I didn’t still come down with the ball. That’s the kind of play you have to make. Crucial situation, I’ve got to make that play.”
                          The first long pass to Jennings was barely over thrown. It was on a perfect line to Jennings. Its hard to criticize Rodgers on a long pass that was that close to being completed. And if Jennings hesitated or slowed at all you can't blame Rodgers at all. To say Rodgers cost them a TD on that is expecting way too much from any QB.
                          You don't get it do you? On passes over the shoulder you want arc on the ball so it drops in, like shooting free throws. For example, Finley ran a bad route but the way Rodgers threw it he had almost no chance. He throws a pretty spiral but he needs to figure out how to put some touch on his passes when called for.
                          Oh, believe me, I get it perfectly well, and Rodgers has shown good touch on a lot his throws this year, including a short one to Driver(?) yesterday that he sort of just floated out to the right for Driver to catch up to.

                          The throw to Finley is a back shoulder throw that the receiver is supposed to stop and turn back for. It causes the DB to carry on past him in most situations. The throw itself creates separation for the receiver. Put too much air under that and the DB has time to recover.

                          Both deep throws to Jennings had plenty enough air under them. The second was spot on perfect where only Jennings could get it. The first was in the air for just over 50 yards from where Rodgers threw it, and they barely missed. I still have it on Tivo, and I agree with Goose, it looks like Jennings was not really expecting it. I'm not sure that he slowed down, but he almost acted surprised that it was there, and didn't react the best to it. That just barely missed. It was a good enough throw at that distance. Heck completion rates for all QBs on passes in the air for 40+ yards are not all that high.

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                          • #28
                            Uh

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by mission
                              Uh

                              that about sums it up.. haha

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                              • #30
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