Brett Favre would've started; a little shoulder boo boo

[Scott Campbell]

He's just a kid - doesn't know any better.

[Zool]

Are you trying to say that its out of line to expect a string of HOF calibur QB's over the next 30+ years?

[cpk1994]

I give Iron Man Aaron some props...he played and played well....but this shit worries me as it seems like it will happen all season. Sucks when we let an ICON go (who a select few like to diss like all hell cuz they had blind faith in TT/M3 to go 12-4 or 13-3 EVERY YEAR)...as that Icon is doing well as a 39 year old with a new offense for a supposedly inferior team. Go ARod but the fuck if TT knows how to handle personal relations other than a 13 year old tied up in his basement. Pretty sad, but I wish the best for ARod and Brett as they only play the game...not "Catch the Trout" in TT's basement.

You must have missed the point I and others have made repeatedly that both Aaron Rodgers AND Brett Favre are starting QB's and had to be starting this year. You can't put Rodgers on the bench anymore if you want him to be the future QB of this team. Either Rodgers had to go or Favre had to go. From that perspective, you keep the guy who's going to be around for a decade plus over the guy who might give you one more good year before he retires. Keeping Rodgers is/was much more important than keeping Favre at this point, because Rodgers offers us a future at the position where Favre does not. Do people here care about the long term consistent success of the Packers? Or are most people so near sighted that they can't see beyond this season?

All they can see is getting Favre a ring. It doesn't matter the cost to the TEAM.

[Rastak]

I give Iron Man Aaron some props...he played and played well....but this shit worries me as it seems like it will happen all season. Sucks when we let an ICON go (who a select few like to diss like all hell cuz they had blind faith in TT/M3 to go 12-4 or 13-3 EVERY YEAR)...as that Icon is doing well as a 39 year old with a new offense for a supposedly inferior team. Go ARod but the fuck if TT knows how to handle personal relations other than a 13 year old tied up in his basement. Pretty sad, but I wish the best for ARod and Brett as they only play the game...not "Catch the Trout" in TT's basement.

You must have missed the point I and others have made repeatedly that both Aaron Rodgers AND Brett Favre are starting QB's and had to be starting this year. You can't put Rodgers on the bench anymore if you want him to be the future QB of this team. Either Rodgers had to go or Favre had to go. From that perspective, you keep the guy who's going to be around for a decade plus over the guy who might give you one more good year before he retires. Keeping Rodgers is/was much more important than keeping Favre at this point, because Rodgers offers us a future at the position where Favre does not. Do people here care about the long term consistent success of the Packers? Or are most people so near sighted that they can't see beyond this season?

All they can see is getting Favre a ring. It doesn't matter the cost to the TEAM.

Doesn't that net the TEAM a 1st round pick?

[cpk1994]

I give Iron Man Aaron some props...he played and played well....but this shit worries me as it seems like it will happen all season. Sucks when we let an ICON go (who a select few like to diss like all hell cuz they had blind faith in TT/M3 to go 12-4 or 13-3 EVERY YEAR)...as that Icon is doing well as a 39 year old with a new offense for a supposedly inferior team. Go ARod but the fuck if TT knows how to handle personal relations other than a 13 year old tied up in his basement. Pretty sad, but I wish the best for ARod and Brett as they only play the game...not "Catch the Trout" in TT's basement.

You must have missed the point I and others have made repeatedly that both Aaron Rodgers AND Brett Favre are starting QB's and had to be starting this year. You can't put Rodgers on the bench anymore if you want him to be the future QB of this team. Either Rodgers had to go or Favre had to go. From that perspective, you keep the guy who's going to be around for a decade plus over the guy who might give you one more good year before he retires. Keeping Rodgers is/was much more important than keeping Favre at this point, because Rodgers offers us a future at the position where Favre does not. Do people here care about the long term consistent success of the Packers? Or are most people so near sighted that they can't see beyond this season?

All they can see is getting Favre a ring. It doesn't matter the cost to the TEAM.

Doesn't that net the TEAM a 1st round pick?

You misunderstood my statement. What I am talking about is Favre fans wanted TT to keep Favre here another year at the expense of the long term success of the Packers just to get Favre a ring, even if it meant that the Packers long term success would be seriously in doubt. Basically, they put Favre above the team and that is bullshit.

[Rastak]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

[cpk1994]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

[Rastak]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

[cpk1994]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

No, but at least TT was smart enough to know that if he didn't trade Favre his QB situatuion would be the same in two years as the VIkings is now: Garbage.

[Rastak]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

No, but at least TT was smart enough to know that if he didn't trade Favre his QB situatuion would be the same in two years as the VIkings is now: Garbage.

And this has led to.......drum roll......a tie with the Packers! 2-3 Yea......LOL.


I think your doom and gloom scenario is bullshit but I have to admit that TT amd MM were the guys with the info to make the call. It was their opinion obviously that it wouldn't work. Do remember, they ain't the pope,they make mistakes on occasion. so it isn't 100% certain they made the right call. Obviously I don't have a huge stake in this, it's just my opinion based on the facts I know of.

[cpk1994]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

No, but at least TT was smart enough to know that if he didn't trade Favre his QB situatuion would be the same in two years as the VIkings is now: Garbage.

And this has led to.......drum roll......a tie with the Packers! 2-3 Yea......LOL.


I think your doom and gloom scenario is bullshit but I have to admit that TT amd MM were the guys with the info to make the call. It was their opinion obviously that it wouldn't work. Do remember, they ain't the pope,they make mistakes on occasion. so it isn't 100% certain they made the right call. Obviously I don't have a huge stake in this, it's just my opinion based on the facts I know of.

Sure they make mistakes, but this is fact: If Favre was allowed back in two years the Packers wouold have no Favre AND no ARod. What they would be left with is Flynn and Brohm. No expeirence at the most important postion at all.

[Rastak]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

No, but at least TT was smart enough to know that if he didn't trade Favre his QB situatuion would be the same in two years as the VIkings is now: Garbage.

And this has led to.......drum roll......a tie with the Packers! 2-3 Yea......LOL.


I think your doom and gloom scenario is bullshit but I have to admit that TT amd MM were the guys with the info to make the call. It was their opinion obviously that it wouldn't work. Do remember, they ain't the pope,they make mistakes on occasion. so it isn't 100% certain they made the right call. Obviously I don't have a huge stake in this, it's just my opinion based on the facts I know of.

Sure they make mistakes, but this is fact: If Favre was allowed back in two years the Packers wouold have no Favre AND no ARod. What they would be left with is Flynn and Brohm. No expeirence at the most important postion at all.

Now it's your turn to predict the future? How do you know this to be fact?

No player can just leave if the team doesn't want him to. That's why they created tags. If Rodgers continues playing like this he's gonna get a BIG ASSED CHECK by the end of next year. How can you say it would be significantly lower overall than a one year tag? They'd work out a deal I would guess in the end, after one year unde a tag. Plus with the packers cap situation I don't agree that it would be the dumbest thing in the world. Unless you had serious questions on the guys ability and that doesn't seem to be the case based on this summers actions.

[cpk1994]

Hmmm, so some people wanted to trade a few years of mediocrity for a Super Bowl win? Alot of people would gladly make that trade. Plus, it's not like Rodgers could just leave if he wanted. He's under contract and could be franchised if they really felt that strongly about his bright future.

How do you know that it would be medocrity? That claim is baseless becuase you can't predict the future. And franchising Rodgers without having played a meaningful down would have been the single dumbest thing TT could ever do in his GM life. TT would have an even bigger mess on his hands if he did that.

I can predict the future as well you seem to be able to LOL.

No, but at least TT was smart enough to know that if he didn't trade Favre his QB situatuion would be the same in two years as the VIkings is now: Garbage.

And this has led to.......drum roll......a tie with the Packers! 2-3 Yea......LOL.


I think your doom and gloom scenario is bullshit but I have to admit that TT amd MM were the guys with the info to make the call. It was their opinion obviously that it wouldn't work. Do remember, they ain't the pope,they make mistakes on occasion. so it isn't 100% certain they made the right call. Obviously I don't have a huge stake in this, it's just my opinion based on the facts I know of.

Sure they make mistakes, but this is fact: If Favre was allowed back in two years the Packers wouold have no Favre AND no ARod. What they would be left with is Flynn and Brohm. No expeirence at the most important postion at all.

Now it's your turn to predict the future? How do you know this to be fact?

No player can just leave if the team doesn't want him to. That's why they created tags. If Rodgers continues playing like this he's gonna get a BIG ASSED CHECK by the end of next year. How can you say it would be significantly lower overall than a one year tag? They'd work out a deal I would guess in the end, after one year unde a tag. Plus with the packers cap situation I don't agree that it would be the dumbest thing in the world. Unless you had serious questions on the guys ability and that doesn't seem to be the case based on this summers actions.

Now you are confusing the present with the hypothetical situation of Favre being here and being the starter. No GM would tag Rodgers or any player that hasn't played a meaningful down. No one. If TT tagged Rodgers after caving into Favre while telling Rogers he was the man, don't ever expect Rodgers to accept any offer.

He can get the big check now becuase Favre is gone. Don't confuse the two.

[Scott Campbell]

No player can just leave if the team doesn't want him to.

That's the rule, and how it works in theory. As a practical matter, I present to you Exhibit A:

[mraynrand]

No player can just leave if the team doesn't want him to.

That's the rule, and how it works in theory. As a practical matter, I present to you Exhibit A:

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