Were we all fooled?

[The Gunshooter]

Don't let me forget to mention the great draft TT had, namely his 3 second round busts.

That's officially the earliest I've ever heard a draft pick called a bust.

5 games? Seriously?

Maybe I was a little severe because I would expect at least one of them to start but they are scrubs who contribute little.

A rook starting on a 13-3 team is pretty rare if even unheard of.

You mean to say a rookie starting on a team that was 13-3 the year before is rare even though they are decimated by injury this year? I could cut Brohm right now and not miss a second of sleep over it. I am just saying everything had to fall just exactly wrong to be 2-3 right now and the draft is part of it.

[retailguy]

Well, here we go again... :P

Ok, lets let the Rodgers/Favre crap stop. Anyone who watched the game yesterday knows that Aaron Rodgers was NOT the reason we lost. Anyone who watched the game yesterday should also know it would be unlikely that we'd have won if Favre was behind center.

The problems with the game yesterday were many. I'd boil it down to 3 big ones from my vantage point.

1. Offensive Line
2. Defensive Line
3. Playcalling

1 - Our offensive line stinks. It has stunk in my opinion since we lost both guards in 2005. Someone talked about "jelling". BINGO. These guys are good players, I think, but they don't play well TOGETHER. They aren't on the same page. People are bitching about Cliffy. Maybe he's losing it, maybe he isn't, but face facts, neither Tauscher nor Clifton are "prototypes" for this system. They really aren't able to play to their strengths because that's not what's needed here. Clifton has always been an excellent pass blocker but always mediocre at run blocking. Adequate? Certainly. All-pro, never. Not at run blocking. Tauscher seems to have adapted better, but is now called for the occasional holding penalty. I am not sure that Tauscher EVER had a holding penalty during the Sherman years. So, he's adapted, but it's had an impact.

The guards? Well, I've never liked Colledge as a guard. I agree with those who said he held down the fort yesterday after Cliffy went out. Is he better than Cliffy? No. Not even close. Maybe he can be. He looks a hell of a lot more comfortable at tackle than he ever has at guard. Spitz? Ok, but out of place, much better center. Better center than Wells, I think, however, they think he's a better guard than Wells. I'm not so sure. I remember Wells doing a very capable job filling in at center in 2006? I don't know why they don't try that again until they feel Barbre or Sitton is ready. (right now neither are ready).

Wells played better last year than this year, but to be fair, we should wait a few more weeks before complaining as he has been hurt. Probably still not close to 100% and definitely not had enough practice time yet to be sharp.

2. DL - Jenkins was a huge loss. Williams, who looked like he was expendable wasn't. Jolly has been solid, but not like last year. Kampman is still Kampman. Pickett? where would this defense be without him? :shudder:. KGB is almost done, I think. Looks like he might not come back from this latest injury. Cole is always going to be mediocre and the younger guys prove that it's damn difficult to find talent that makes it. That's why I was against the Williams trade. Yes, the contract issues.... He'd have played for the tender. He wouldn't like it, but he'd have played. I think we need the production/security more than the draft pick... but that's just me.

3. Playcalling. I think McCarthy has lost some of his "moxie". He seems less willing to take chances this year. It's more predictable. More "safe". Maybe he's protecting Rodgers. Maybe he's too reliant on the "system". Maybe he's obstinate and is going to "keep making it work" rather than going with what seems to be working at the time. Yesterday's game plan at a high level seemed to be "run, run, pass, punt". Jokingly, it reminded me of the 70's. NO RISK. but no reward. Yes, I understand he was trying to "set up the run". Yes, I get it. And he did, eventually. Grant and Jackson ran well in the second half. But, by then, we had other issues. What happened to the screen pass? Didn't see much yesterday. Lots of dump offs to the TE though when no one seemed to be open. But that last drive? Different plan entirely. Yes, I know the Falcons were in the "prevent", but still, much better gameplan! Not totally pass, but it worked.

I'm not impressed with McCarthy the coach, nor McCarthy the playcaller to this point. Maybe this is the cost for training the young QB? I don't know. Too soon to say it's anything serious, but, soon enough to pay attention. Rodgers is progressing well, overall I think. McCarthy does get credit for that.

I do blame Thompson for the play of the lines, but I also blame the system. We don't have a good system for the OL, nor a good coach to teach it. Philbin learned for ONE YEAR from a guy who learned for TWO. Yeah. The DL? Well, it needs certain personnel to create pressure, and we don't have and haven't had those types of people to really make it work.

[sheepshead]

Don't let me forget to mention the great draft TT had, namely his 3 second round busts.

That's officially the earliest I've ever heard a draft pick called a bust.

5 games? Seriously?

Maybe I was a little severe because I would expect at least one of them to start but they are scrubs who contribute little.

A rook starting on a 13-3 team is pretty rare if even unheard of.

You mean to say a rookie starting on a team that was 13-3 the year before is rare even though they are decimated by injury this year? I could cut Brohm right now and not miss a second of sleep over it. I am just saying everything had to fall just exactly wrong to be 2-3 right now and the draft is part of it.

Decimated? I would have to look at your new assumption position by position. I was speaking in general. Harrel and Jenkins you mean? The only DE was Thompson in the 5th round I think??

We need a vet qb , no question. All three of these guys will not be a starting QB for the Packers, so cut one now.

[Gunakor]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

The biggest problem on the O-Line this year has been Chad Clifton. Save for the first game, where he handled Jared Allen very well, Cliffy has been the weakest link on that line. Are you going to blame TT for that one too?

I got an idea. How about instead of blaming TT for lack of execution, we blame the PLAYERS for not executing.

[cheesner]

Re: Clue

The pot calling the kettle black. You have not clues but FACTS looking you right in the face. Favre made the line look better because he sensed back-side pressure. He knew when to slip slide and glide. This is the same damn line but yet the sacks are up. Did you pay ANY attention yesterday? The Falcon's 3 man rush gave us problems which is freakin unbelievable. I don't know about your world but in mine 3 beating 5 is UNACCEPTABLE!

This is no criticism of Rodgers, but to say he's playing as well as Favre would be if he were still here is just plain DUMB and the FACTS (not your opinion) prove it! Yes, in time Rodgers will gain the needed experience and may very well be a good QB. However, right now he holds the ball to long and does not sense back side pressure very well.

It's the same shit around here, nothing but excuses that don't support the facts. We're 2-3 and our sacks are up and run game is in-consistent. Rodgers is getting beaten like a pinada yet the same guys wanna tell us how our line is improving.

Um, for those of you who don't know it, we were beaten at HOME by a team many considered to be bottom feeders in the NFL. A team who by all accounts and FACTS has been horrible on the road. A team with a rookie QB who was'nt even TOUCHED all day. Yesterday was a freakin DISGRACE.

Now the same guys who ripped Sherman when the injury bug decimated his team are making excuses for Thompson. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Wake up and smell the coffee! No depth and we are just about the weakest team in the NFL on the interior of both our lines. Newsflash for the clowns- the middle is where most games are won or lost.............

FACTS! You have FACTS?!?! You will have to excuse the rest of us who don't have access to parallel universes and cannot watch a game in which Favre was QBing the Packers last weekend. Therefore we cannont judge with 'FACTS' how each QB performs under the same exact circumstances.

Aren't the Falcons, by the way, the same team to destroyed Favre's team at home in a playoff game a few years ago? Despite being heavy underdogs and the Packers had never loss a playoff game at home? And the Falcons whipped the Packers 27-7? Are these facts? Does this mean that AR (who scored 24 pts) is 3.43x better than Favre?

[Pacopete4]

Re: Clue

The pot calling the kettle black. You have not clues but FACTS looking you right in the face. Favre made the line look better because he sensed back-side pressure. He knew when to slip slide and glide. This is the same damn line but yet the sacks are up. Did you pay ANY attention yesterday? The Falcon's 3 man rush gave us problems which is freakin unbelievable. I don't know about your world but in mine 3 beating 5 is UNACCEPTABLE!

This is no criticism of Rodgers, but to say he's playing as well as Favre would be if he were still here is just plain DUMB and the FACTS (not your opinion) prove it! Yes, in time Rodgers will gain the needed experience and may very well be a good QB. However, right now he holds the ball to long and does not sense back side pressure very well.

It's the same shit around here, nothing but excuses that don't support the facts. We're 2-3 and our sacks are up and run game is in-consistent. Rodgers is getting beaten like a pinada yet the same guys wanna tell us how our line is improving.

Um, for those of you who don't know it, we were beaten at HOME by a team many considered to be bottom feeders in the NFL. A team who by all accounts and FACTS has been horrible on the road. A team with a rookie QB who was'nt even TOUCHED all day. Yesterday was a freakin DISGRACE.

Now the same guys who ripped Sherman when the injury bug decimated his team are making excuses for Thompson. Hypocrisy at it's finest. Wake up and smell the coffee! No depth and we are just about the weakest team in the NFL on the interior of both our lines. Newsflash for the clowns- the middle is where most games are won or lost.............

FACTS! You have FACTS?!?! You will have to excuse the rest of us who don't have access to parallel universes and cannot watch a game in which Favre was QBing the Packers last weekend. Therefore we cannont judge with 'FACTS' how each QB performs under the same exact circumstances.

Aren't the Falcons, by the way, the same team to destroyed Favre's team at home in a playoff game a few years ago? Despite being heavy underdogs and the Packers had never loss a playoff game at home? And the Falcons whipped the Packers 27-7? Are these facts? Does this mean that AR (who scored 24 pts) is 3.43x better than Favre?

Favre is better than Rodgers... ur clueless if u think otherwise... but that was NOT WHAT MY POST WAS ABOUT PEOPLE!!... IT FUCKING HAD ZERO TO DO WITH WHY TT/MM ARE FUCKING UP... GET THAT THRU UR FUCKING HEADS....

[cheesner]

Re: Clue

Favre is better than Rodgers... ur clueless if u think otherwise... but that was NOT WHAT MY POST WAS ABOUT PEOPLE!!... IT FUCKING HAD ZERO TO DO WITH WHY TT/MM ARE FUCKING UP... GET THAT THRU UR FUCKING HEADS....

First - I wasn't responding you you
Second - All your posts are about the same thing - we all get it. You hate TT
Third - You're living in the past, If you even consider the future you are very short sighted.

[Pacopete4]

Re: Clue

Favre is better than Rodgers... ur clueless if u think otherwise... but that was NOT WHAT MY POST WAS ABOUT PEOPLE!!... IT FUCKING HAD ZERO TO DO WITH WHY TT/MM ARE FUCKING UP... GET THAT THRU UR FUCKING HEADS....

First - I wasn't responding you you
Second - All your posts are about the same thing - we all get it. You hate TT
Third - You're living in the past, If you even consider the future you are very short sighted.

1- I wasn't talking to just u
2- If things with the Packers changed, my posts would change but until they do that, I will continue to think TT is an over rated GM that didnt get the right pieces in here to put this team in position to win a SB
3- Living in the past? I'm talking this years team and ur talking about Brett Favre... whos living in the past buddy

[SkinBasket]

We were all fooled into thinking people on this forum would be mentally stable enough to handle some losses this year without being big fat headed poopy pants babies about it. So to answer your question: Yes, we were fooled and we all feel ashamed.

[Pacopete4]

some losses? ha.....

[Gunakor]

Re: Clue

Favre is better than Rodgers... ur clueless if u think otherwise... but that was NOT WHAT MY POST WAS ABOUT PEOPLE!!... IT FUCKING HAD ZERO TO DO WITH WHY TT/MM ARE FUCKING UP... GET THAT THRU UR FUCKING HEADS....

First - I wasn't responding you you
Second - All your posts are about the same thing - we all get it. You hate TT
Third - You're living in the past, If you even consider the future you are very short sighted.

1- I wasn't talking to just u
2- If things with the Packers changed, my posts would change but until they do that, I will continue to think TT is an over rated GM that didnt get the right pieces in here to put this team in position to win a SB
3- Living in the past? I'm talking this years team and ur talking about Brett Favre... whos living in the past buddy

Can't blame TT for the players not executing. It's not TT's fault if the pieces he's put in place haven't lived up to thier potential. You keep ripping the O-Line, but the biggest problem on the O-Line this year has been Chad Clifton, not the guards. TT had nothing to do with the aquisiton of Clifton, and has no control over how well Cliffy plays. What is he supposed to do? In your mind, what is the correct path for a competent GM in this situation?

You complain about not having enough depth, but when 2 starters in the secondary and 2 starters on the D-Line and a starter on the O-Line are injured - as well as some of thier backups on top of it - you aren't going to see the same level of production. It just doesn't happen. If you define depth as having backups that will play at exactly the same level as the starters then you are correct in that we don't have much depth. Most teams do not have backups that will come in and give the same level of production as the player they are replacing. T-Will doing a bang up job filling in for Al Harris has been more than suprising. When Justin Harrell gets off PUP after week 6 then we will have more depth on the DL. When Josh Sitton gets healthy again we will have better depth on the OL. When Aaron Rouse gets healthy again we will have better depth in the secondary. These aren't starters, they are backups - they are part of the depth we have here and they are injured too. That's not TT's fault. So I ask again, what would you, being a competent GM and all, do in this situation?

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Clue

2- If things with the Packers changed, my posts would change.......

I don't believe you.

[SkinBasket]

some losses? ha.....

Yes. Some losses. I'm not sure what makes that humorous to you.

[Pacopete4]

some losses? ha.....

Yes. Some losses. I'm not sure what makes that humorous to you.

just the word some... we will have more than some the way this team is built

[Gunakor]

some losses? ha.....

Yes. Some losses. I'm not sure what makes that humorous to you.

just the word some... we will have more than some the way this team is built

How is this team built, Mr. Observant? You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. As I quite clearly laid out in my previous post, it's not just the starters that are injured. Thier backups are injured too. The problem isn't a lack of depth, it's that our depth has been hammered with injury along with the starters. Plan C isn't going to look like Plan A.

By the way, I'm still waiting on you to enlighten all of us on how a competent GM like yourself would have handled this situation.