Were we all fooled?

[Pacopete4]

After seeing our depth so far, were we all fooled by thinking TT knew what the hell he was doing? Our oline hasn't been up and running since he got here and our Dline hasn't improved either... for the GM of the year award winner, shouldn't we expect much more out of him?



Were we also fooled by McCarthy? His play calling and discipline is atrocious. Was he made by #4 being his QB and leader?



sure seems like we were fooled....

[Jimx29]

Me thinks i'm going to have to change my siggy to "Karmas' A Bitch TT"

I've had to say it enough lately....

[cpk1994]

To the rest of the fourm:

[BallHawk]

[Pacopete4]

I dont see a problem with discussing why our GM sucks at getting us a good line on both sides of the ball and why our head coach all of a sudden sucks?

[falco]

[cpk1994]

Agreed. I am patient enough to give ARod and M3/TT a chance and at least a full year maybe two before I start questioning the regimes decisions coming into this season.

[Pacopete4]

Agreed. I am patient enough to give ARod and M3/TT a chance and at least a full year maybe two before I start questioning the regimes decisions coming into this season.

It really doesnt have nething to do with Arod though... Im talking about TT not building us an offensive line, nor defensive line depth. And the other part about MM, do u think hes doing a good job coaching this year?


keep the favre stuff out of this, and just think about our Oline and how really bad it is...

[falco]

Agreed. I am patient enough to give ARod and M3/TT a chance and at least a full year maybe two before I start questioning the regimes decisions coming into this season.

the decision to trade Favre is irrelevant... a year or two from now Favre will be gone anyway...

M3/TT should be judged based on how well they put together a roster that can win without Favre...any like you said, they've got to have time before one can be judged

they went 13-3 last year... they are transitioning from a HOF QB and have had a rash of injuries to key players (Harris, Jenkins).

In my mind, the only position at which TT has failed is on the OL - and I think part of the problem this year is that not only has he not solidified the interior, but the tackles are now getting old. Everything else, with the possible exception of the center of the D-line, is solid.

[Pacopete4]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

[pbmax]

Re: Were we all fooled?

After seeing our depth so far, were we all fooled by thinking TT knew what the hell he was doing? Our oline hasn't been up and running since he got here and our Dline hasn't improved either... for the GM of the year award winner, shouldn't we expect much more out of him?.

The OLine has gotten better each of the last two years. Right now, Clifton and the pass pro is struggling, but run blocking has improved measurably. This is no longer the chief area of concern. I still think it would be an improvement if Spitz could go back to Center and Barbre or Sitton could play guard adequately, but we'll see.

[falco]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

so what? he should be canned? I think he's performed well in all other aspects of his job. Very few GM's have done well replacing legendary QBs, and although A-ROD has a lot to prove, I think the future looks bright.

I also think our offensive line got us to 13-3 and let Favre have an MVP year, and Grant rushed for almost 1000 yards in practically half a season. I'm sure you've got a canned response for that as well.

[falco]

I noticed during the game (and Bedard mentioned the same thing in his chat) that the line played as well if not better with Clifton out. . . may make for some interesting discussion going forward.

I would like to see them try Colledge / Barbre / Spitz / Sitton / Tauscher. Not sure how Colledge would hold up, but it would be interesting.

[Pacopete4]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

so what? he should be canned? I think he's performed well in all other aspects of his job. Very few GM's have done well replacing legendary QBs, and although A-ROD has a lot to prove, I think the future looks bright.

I also think our offensive line got us to 13-3 and let Favre have an MVP year, and Grant rushed for almost 1000 yards in practically half a season. I'm sure you've got a canned response for that as well.

ya, where the hell is it this season? maybe ur telling me the blame falls more on MM then? Obviously things aren't going right.. someone is not doing their job... and no, I dont' think TT should be canned... just simply discussing our GM and Head coach... don't make it into a Brett Favre thing, we all know how good he is

[cpk1994]

but TT has had 4 years now to get a Oline ready and good to go... he's failed big time there... and if u have no online, ur not gonna win many games

so what? he should be canned? I think he's performed well in all other aspects of his job. Very few GM's have done well replacing legendary QBs, and although A-ROD has a lot to prove, I think the future looks bright.

I also think our offensive line got us to 13-3 and let Favre have an MVP year, and Grant rushed for almost 1000 yards in practically half a season. I'm sure you've got a canned response for that as well.

I think the big problem is getting consistency on the line. THe second half of last year they finlly seemed to be coming together, but now you have Wells who can't stay helathy and Clifton is beginning to lose it. WIth injuries to some and age hitting the others its hard to get cohesion.