Were we all fooled?

[The Gunshooter]

Don't let me forget to mention the great draft TT had, namely his 3 second round busts.

That's officially the earliest I've ever heard a draft pick called a bust.

5 games? Seriously?

Maybe I was a little severe because I would expect at least one of them to start but they are scrubs who contribute little.

A rook starting on a 13-3 team is pretty rare if even unheard of.

You mean to say a rookie starting on a team that was 13-3 the year before is rare even though they are decimated by injury this year? I could cut Brohm right now and not miss a second of sleep over it. I am just saying everything had to fall just exactly wrong to be 2-3 right now and the draft is part of it.

Decimated? I would have to look at your new assumption position by position. I was speaking in general. Harrel and Jenkins you mean? The only DE was Thompson in the 5th round I think??

We need a vet qb , no question. All three of these guys will not be a starting QB for the Packers, so cut one now.

Yes, decimated. In today's NFL two or three key guys on IR means disaster. They have a bunch of walking wounded too. If one of the three 2nd round picks can't make a significant contribution in this situation I don't believe TT's picks were of much use right now are they? TT could of drafted better.

My original point is the season was down the shitter before it started. Don't put it all on Rodgers/Favre.

TT could have drafted better? I didn't know we were drafting starters. Gosh, I was under the impression that we had our 22 starters on the roster already. I mean, for the first time I thought TT addressed areas of need early like TE and CB and QB, but those areas were in need of a backup not a starter.

In any draft there may be a handful of players that are NFL ready. All the rest of them - including many who are drafted in the FIRST round - need NFL grooming before they can play at an NFL level. Many draft picks are based on future potential, not instant production.

Chryst, we were in no position to draft any blue-chippers out of college this year anyway. Nobody we drafted this year was expected to be heavy contributors right away. Nobody could predict the injury bug hitting us this hard, this early. If our newest class of draft picks don't produce any Pro Bowlers this year I'm not going to be disappointed and blame TT for drafting horribly. I, unlike some, never expected much from them this year to begin with.

Blue-chippers? WTF? The 2008 draft doesn't do shit for this team right now and there should of been someone to emerge and start under the present situation. If you say that is expecting too much from the scouts and TT I say bullshit. Spin away.

[MJZiggy]

We were all fooled into thinking people on this forum would be mentally stable enough to handle some losses this year without being big fat headed poopy pants babies about it. So to answer your question: Yes, we were fooled and we all feel ashamed.

Not all of us. Some of us saw this coming a mile away...

[retailguy]

Fool me once, shame on me, ... Fool me twice, three times, five times, ... Shame on the pack !

Gotta love you Bearman. you are ALWAYS backwards. :P

[Pugger]

Usually it takes a couple of seasons before you can declare a draft a bust or not so its ridiculous to say 2008 is a disaster this soon!!

[The Gunshooter]

Usually it takes a couple of seasons before you can declare a draft a bust or not so its ridiculous to say 2008 is a disaster this soon!!

No, it is ridiculous that you could create that sentence and attribute it to me somehow.

[cheesner]

Blue-chippers? WTF? The 2008 draft doesn't do shit for this team right now and there should of been someone to emerge and start under the present situation. If you say that is expecting too much from the scouts and TT I say bullshit. Spin away.

There are tradeoffs in every draft pick outside of the top few blue-chippers. It looks like TT went for players who have great potential and great character, but who are raw. This seems like a good strategy for a team that didn't have a lot of holes and was building nice depth. Take the guys who although you don't need them now, has a good chance at developing into a dominating player. The other option is to draft a guy who is better now, ready to play even, but will only be a good player at best.

[mraynrand]

IN all fairness the O-line is not that bad. Yes they have penalties, but that can improve.

Did anyone notice that most of the successful runs in the ATL game were power runs and not zone runs? Hmmmmmm.....

[Sparkey]

Late entry to this discussion:

Packers O-Line has no chemistry, mostly due to Clifton's knees not allowing him to practice much with the rest of the team. Wells being hurt for most of the pre-season, meaning Spitz played center and not LG like originally planned and therefore Sitton getting reps at RG until Wells was back and then Spitz going back to RG. Tausch not having the same guy next to him.

The ZBS scheme is designed on quickness and guys knowing their points and where to advance after the initial block. With all the changes on the line, the players look lost and unsure about when and where to go to the next level.

Then, look at the D-Line. Pickett is still not 100% and looks very slow because of the nagging leg injury. Cole is a giant pile of nothing inside and the loss of Jenkins means no real strength up the middle on passing downs. BTW, does KGB still play ?

Then Hawk with a bum chest/ankle injury takes away his burst. Prior to the ankle, he was playing extremely well. Barnett has disappeared. Does he even play lineback anymore ? Then add in a missing safety in Bigby and the loss of your #2 cb in Harris and you can plainly see why the Def is horrible at present.

They say the strength of the defense is up the middle. Pickett, Barnett and Bigby are the middle. It is no wonder they are 2-3.

Injuries have decimated

[bobblehead]

We were all fooled into thinking people on this forum would be mentally stable enough to handle some losses this year without being big fat headed poopy pants babies about it. So to answer your question: Yes, we were fooled and we all feel ashamed.

Not all of us. Some of us saw this coming a mile away...

You saw grant flopping? You saw jenkins, harris and 2 safeties getting hurt? You saw the demise of chad clifton coming? Or do you mean you knew without favre around we had no shot?

[PackerTimer]

We were all fooled into thinking people on this forum would be mentally stable enough to handle some losses this year without being big fat headed poopy pants babies about it. So to answer your question: Yes, we were fooled and we all feel ashamed.

Not all of us. Some of us saw this coming a mile away...

You saw grant flopping? You saw jenkins, harris and 2 safeties getting hurt? You saw the demise of chad clifton coming? Or do you mean you knew without favre around we had no shot?

I think that was referring to the squabbles that seem to be infesting the board.

[Bossman641]

We were all fooled into thinking people on this forum would be mentally stable enough to handle some losses this year without being big fat headed poopy pants babies about it. So to answer your question: Yes, we were fooled and we all feel ashamed.

Not all of us. Some of us saw this coming a mile away...

You saw grant flopping? You saw jenkins, harris and 2 safeties getting hurt? You saw the demise of chad clifton coming? Or do you mean you knew without favre around we had no shot?

I think she means she knew that people wouldn't able to be civil on this forum. Each showing by Favre and Rodgers, either good or bad, just throws more fuel on the fire.

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Packers O-Line has no chemistry, mostly due to Clifton's knees not allowing him to practice much with the rest of the team. Wells being hurt for most of the pre-season, meaning Spitz played center =

These are not bad luck injuries, they are helpful hints from God. Keep Clifton and Wells on the bench, start Barbre & Sitton and watch the O-line grow and blossom. (Not gonna happen, Clifton & Wells are paid starter money.)

[Harlan Huckleby]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

[Bossman641]

Packers O-Line has no chemistry, mostly due to Clifton's knees not allowing him to practice much with the rest of the team. Wells being hurt for most of the pre-season, meaning Spitz played center =

These are not bad luck injuries, they are helpful hints from God. Keep Clifton and Wells on the bench, start Barbre & Sitton and watch the O-line grow and blossom. (Not gonna happen, Clifton & Wells are paid starter money.)

Who woulda thought we would be hoping for Clifton to get benched and Colledge to take his spot? Barbre taking the LG spot? That's possible. But not in a million years would you have a single person over the offseason wanting to bench Clifton.

How many years does he have left on his deal? Is this his last year, or is there one more?

[Pacopete4]

PacoPete is the one who saw the rash of injuries coming. How? Who knows, but it has something to do with Favre.

The credit crisis has something to do with Favre. As does Palin's bastard grandchild, FAvre had a hand in that one too.

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if u can show me in my post where I mentioned Favre being the problem, be my guest... or u could look at my original point to TT didnt do his job in getting a competent Oline in here and he's had 4 season to do so... if u wanna be a little bitch, cocksucker whore of TT and think he's done a good job assembling us a line than so be it... but in my eyes.. he hasnt done his job