UR the Coach of GB. Make one change to improve our team NOW.

[Gunakor]

Exactly Paco, now you are getting it. They didn't have that problem with those 10 guys last season, and now they do. That doesn't speak to a players talent level - they are the same players. Same talent level. If they weren't shit players last year then they aren't shit players this year. They are just playing shitty, and if it's just an issue of them playing below thier potential then that can be corrected. These are good football players Paco. It's mental mistakes that are holding them back. Correctable mental mistakes that, as you pointed out, were not typical of the same players last season. When they get that fixed you'll see.

no... they were shit last year too... we just had a QB that didnt pat the ball in the pocket trying to read one defender... he got rid of the ball, he checked outta plays that put us in bad spots... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE MISSING... Rodgers is playin great for a rookie.. he really is, but that is the complete different in this offense this season... Favre knew what the hell he was doing which covered up the crappy shit he had infront of him

I guess I'll just have to disagree with your evaluation and leave it at that. I didn't think they were shit last year. I thought they were shit at the beginning of last year, but VERY serviceable at the end.

[Patler]

bzzzzz... wrong! Our DEFENSE/ST has scored 4 touchdowns which would put our offense avg. down to about 20/21 pts a game and if u take out the Lions game, which every team should really do.. our offense is fucking pathetic..

our offense has scored 71pts in 4 games(no lions, wont accept that game) which avg to about 17-18 pts a game... NOT GOOD ENOUGH! specially with the so called "weapons" we're supposed to have on this team

They allowed 18-19 points a game last season.... its not like they were awesome then either... what are u expecting them to do?... really?

but our offense on the other hand averages 27-28 pts per game...

and I can tell u the difference maker, but u just dont wanna hear it... right?

Let's at least be consistent in doing the calculations. If you are deducting for defense/ST scores in 2008, and ignoring Detroit, you should do so also in 2007.

In 2007 the Packers scored 435 points, but had 6 TDs on defense and special teams, so the offense was responsible for 393 points. But, Detroit doesn't count for you, so deduct another 71 points for the two Detroit games in 2007. That leaves 322 points in 14 games, or about 23 points per game.

Now, if you want to reference your "difference maker from 2007 to 2008" we should probably ignore the 2007 Dallas game in which he engineered little. That leaves 295 points in 13 games, or about 22.7 points per game.

Still more in 2007 than in 2008, but the difference is not nearly so great

[GBRulz]

rid myself of Robert Sanders.

I agree with this 100%. I've never been a fan of his. More importantly, Schott needs to go. If the defense continues like this all year, those two should be canned immediately. IMO, we have too much talent on our D to just be average, or these days, below average.

[Brando19]

bzzzzz... wrong! Our DEFENSE/ST has scored 4 touchdowns which would put our offense avg. down to about 20/21 pts a game and if u take out the Lions game, which every team should really do.. our offense is fucking pathetic..

our offense has scored 71pts in 4 games(no lions, wont accept that game) which avg to about 17-18 pts a game... NOT GOOD ENOUGH! specially with the so called "weapons" we're supposed to have on this team

They allowed 18-19 points a game last season.... its not like they were awesome then either... what are u expecting them to do?... really?

but our offense on the other hand averages 27-28 pts per game...

and I can tell u the difference maker, but u just dont wanna hear it... right?

Let's at least be consistent in doing the calculations. If you are deducting for defense/ST scores in 2008, and ignoring Detroit, you should do so also in 2007.

In 2007 the Packers scored 435 points, but had 6 TDs on defense and special teams, so the offense was responsible for 393 points. But, Detroit doesn't count for you, so deduct another 71 points for the two Detroit games in 2007. That leaves 322 points in 14 games, or about 23 points per game.

Now, if you want to reference your "difference maker from 2007 to 2008" we should probably ignore the 2007 Dallas game in which he engineered little. That leaves 295 points in 13 games, or about 22.7 points per game.

Still more in 2007 than in 2008, but the difference is not nearly so great

You've just been......Patlerized! :P

[Gunakor]

Here's something funny. Brett Favre has been sacked 10 times in 4 games (2.5 sacks per game) with a very savvy veteran OL full of former first round picks in front of him. He was sacked, what, 15-20 times all season last year - with a much more inexperienced line protecting him? Using your theory that Favre makes his line look better because of his pocket awareness, how would you explain this one Paco?

For perspective, let me also mention that Rodgers has only been sacked 11 times, and that being in 5 games since he hasn't had the benefit of the bye week yet (2.2 sacks per game).

[Brando19]

Here's something funny. Brett Favre has been sacked 10 times in 4 games (2.5 sacks per game) with a very savvy veteran OL full of former first round picks in front of him. He was sacked, what, 15-20 times all season last year - with a much more inexperienced line protecting him? Using your theory that Favre makes his line look better because of his pocket awareness, how would you explain this one Paco?

For perspective, let me also mention that Rodgers has only been sacked 11 times, and that being in 5 games since he hasn't had the benefit of the bye week yet (2.2 sacks per game).

Rodgers needs to learn to get rid of the ball quicker...if he had Favre's quick release every time....watch out!

[Patler]

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You've just been......Patlerized! :P

It wasn't intended that way, honest!
Just trying to get the comparisons on equal footing.

[MadtownPacker]

do you honestly believe that the problem right now is our offense rather than our defense?

I know you where asking Paco but I just wanted to say that I think the offense is doing fine. The cowboys game is the only one where the offense looked bad IMO. I agree the defense is not holding up and that is hurting M3's game plans. That's why I think he needs to do something to score more because the defense is not going to change. Unless a bunch of young players step up big on D the offense will need to put up 30 a game. I think they are capable of doing that.

[Bretsky]

Here's something funny. Brett Favre has been sacked 10 times in 4 games (2.5 sacks per game) with a very savvy veteran OL full of former first round picks in front of him. He was sacked, what, 15-20 times all season last year - with a much more inexperienced line protecting him? Using your theory that Favre makes his line look better because of his pocket awareness, how would you explain this one Paco?

For perspective, let me also mention that Rodgers has only been sacked 11 times, and that being in 5 games since he hasn't had the benefit of the bye week yet (2.2 sacks per game).

Come on Gunakor; this one is easy and my guess is you'd give the same answer. Favre's not mastered the offense. He's more indecisive. Opposite of what he was last year. He's not making the reads as quick and he's not getting rid of the ball as quick. He doesn't have the same command over the system or the same rapport with the WR's. Stat doesn't surprise me at all.

[Bretsky]

For me this one is quite easy. Our defense is a mess; one player change won't make much of a difference.



Happy Trails to Vanilla Bob

[RashanGary]

Honestly, I think the defensive problem is more on TT than Bob Sanders, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sanders go anyway.

TT has to start reloading that DL. That was one area Sherman left in pretty good shape and TT hasn't done much of anything to reload it with young, talented players. Maybe he'll get it done, but so far he hasn't done a good enough job in that area.

[MJZiggy]

How many DTs did he keep on the roster last season?

[RashanGary]

How many DTs did he keep on the roster last season?

More importantly, how many are playing well for us now? I'm a big TT fan. I don't expect him to win the SB every year. I don't even exect him to be in the playoffs every year. I do expect him to continually solve problems and eventually I want to see a team that is very strong in the trenches on both sides of the ball. Eventually I want a SB caliber team. So far he hasn't gotten that done, in my opinion. That's not to say he's at fault. Maybe opportunity with reward worthy of the risk or pick hasn't yet arrived, but over a long enough time he should do better than he has. Thus far it hasn't been enough. Again, maybe it's not his fault. Maybe it's hasn't come together yet. It has to show signs of getting better soon (next year or year after).

[Bretsky]

Honestly, I think the defensive problem is more on TT than Bob Sanders, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sanders go anyway.

TT has to start reloading that DL. That was one area Sherman left in pretty good shape and TT hasn't done much of anything to reload it with young, talented players. Maybe he'll get it done, but so far he hasn't done a good enough job in that area.

I agree with you.......but wait......what have you done with the JH that rarely questioned TT ?

I wonder how Philip Mehring is doing as a rookie ? He was the one DL who really fell and was projected to go higher then he was drafted. He was there for the taking for TT before he chose to trade down and draft Jordy. I think he was selected two picks after Green Bay's original slot.

I was kind of hoping TT would grab a DL in round two. I know it's a simple way of looking at things........but I wanted to compare Corey Williams with a DL they picked in that slot. Now we just look at Brohm.

Corey Williams was not a great starter; but many in here underestimate the importance he was on this roster. He was a part of the pie that made up a solid DL.

Kind of the perfect pass rushing compliment to Jolly and Pickett. All three were more effective as a group.

He added something to our DT rotation in pure pass rushing that we simply do not have right now.

I was content with getting a 2nd rounder though; but I underestimated how important Williams was as part of the rotation also.

[RashanGary]

We'll see how it goes. I have a lot of confidence in TT, but he's going to have to start getting better results on both lines. The OL I still give him a bit of a pass on, but he inherited a decent DL and hasn't added enough pieces to make it better or even stay the same, really.