UR the Coach of GB. Make one change to improve our team NOW.

[Gunakor]

Here's something funny. Brett Favre has been sacked 10 times in 4 games (2.5 sacks per game) with a very savvy veteran OL full of former first round picks in front of him. He was sacked, what, 15-20 times all season last year - with a much more inexperienced line protecting him? Using your theory that Favre makes his line look better because of his pocket awareness, how would you explain this one Paco?

For perspective, let me also mention that Rodgers has only been sacked 11 times, and that being in 5 games since he hasn't had the benefit of the bye week yet (2.2 sacks per game).

Come on Gunakor; this one is easy and my guess is you'd give the same answer. Favre's not mastered the offense. He's more indecisive. Opposite of what he was last year. He's not making the reads as quick and he's not getting rid of the ball as quick. He doesn't have the same command over the system or the same rapport with the WR's. Stat doesn't surprise me at all.

Ah, but look at the line protecting him. You'd think with all the time he has behind them compared what he had behind this garbage that he'd be sacked way less than an inexperienced Aaron Rodgers in his first season as a starter. At least, using Paco's theory anyway.

[Gunakor]

Honestly, I think the defensive problem is more on TT than Bob Sanders, but I wouldn't mind seeing Sanders go anyway.

TT has to start reloading that DL. That was one area Sherman left in pretty good shape and TT hasn't done much of anything to reload it with young, talented players. Maybe he'll get it done, but so far he hasn't done a good enough job in that area.

Don't rule out... um... Justin Harrell. He's allegedly perfectly healthy now and will be back on the field at home against the Colts. He looked alright at the end of last season, and he's healthier now supposedly, so he might have something to add.

[cpk1994]

They allowed 18-19 points a game last season.... its not like they were awesome then either... what are u expecting them to do?... really?

but our offense on the other hand averages 27-28 pts per game...


and I can tell u the difference maker, but u just dont wanna hear it... right?

If they allowed 18-20 points per game THIS season we'd be 4-1. Same as we were after 5 games last year. Your argument is starting to make very little sense. You only have to win by 1 point to come away with a tally in the win column. As long as your team scores more points than your opponent, who the fuck cares how big the difference is?

my argument is the offense isnt doing as good of a job... and is it?... noooooope how cant u understand that?

We didn't have a run game at the beginning of last year either, the run game looks better to begin this year than it did to begin last year. Aaron Rodgers is 6th in the NFL in passing yards, 7th in the NFL in passing TD's, and 10th in QB rating. He has more rushing yards and TD's than Favre has had in the last 3 years combined. What has changed on offense that has prevented it from doing quite as well as last year? PENALTIES. That has been the biggest change from last year to this year. Penalties. Like I've been saying, penalties result from lack of preparation. That's McCarthy, not Thompson. How can't you understand THAT?

they didnt have a problem with 10 of the guys last season.......

Exactly Paco, now you are getting it. They didn't have that problem with those 10 guys last season, and now they do. That doesn't speak to a players talent level - they are the same players. Same talent level. If they weren't shit players last year then they aren't shit players this year. They are just playing shitty, and if it's just an issue of them playing below thier potential then that can be corrected. These are good football players Paco. It's mental mistakes that are holding them back. Correctable mental mistakes that, as you pointed out, were not typical of the same players last season. When they get that fixed you'll see.

no... they were shit last year too... we just had a QB that didnt pat the ball in the pocket trying to read one defender... he got rid of the ball, he checked outta plays that put us in bad spots... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE MISSING... Rodgers is playin great for a rookie.. he really is, but that is the complete different in this offense this season... Favre knew what the hell he was doing which covered up the crappy shit he had infront of him

Absolute troll

[Bretsky]

They allowed 18-19 points a game last season.... its not like they were awesome then either... what are u expecting them to do?... really?

but our offense on the other hand averages 27-28 pts per game...


and I can tell u the difference maker, but u just dont wanna hear it... right?

If they allowed 18-20 points per game THIS season we'd be 4-1. Same as we were after 5 games last year. Your argument is starting to make very little sense. You only have to win by 1 point to come away with a tally in the win column. As long as your team scores more points than your opponent, who the fuck cares how big the difference is?

my argument is the offense isnt doing as good of a job... and is it?... noooooope how cant u understand that?

We didn't have a run game at the beginning of last year either, the run game looks better to begin this year than it did to begin last year. Aaron Rodgers is 6th in the NFL in passing yards, 7th in the NFL in passing TD's, and 10th in QB rating. He has more rushing yards and TD's than Favre has had in the last 3 years combined. What has changed on offense that has prevented it from doing quite as well as last year? PENALTIES. That has been the biggest change from last year to this year. Penalties. Like I've been saying, penalties result from lack of preparation. That's McCarthy, not Thompson. How can't you understand THAT?

they didnt have a problem with 10 of the guys last season.......

Exactly Paco, now you are getting it. They didn't have that problem with those 10 guys last season, and now they do. That doesn't speak to a players talent level - they are the same players. Same talent level. If they weren't shit players last year then they aren't shit players this year. They are just playing shitty, and if it's just an issue of them playing below thier potential then that can be corrected. These are good football players Paco. It's mental mistakes that are holding them back. Correctable mental mistakes that, as you pointed out, were not typical of the same players last season. When they get that fixed you'll see.

no... they were shit last year too... we just had a QB that didnt pat the ball in the pocket trying to read one defender... he got rid of the ball, he checked outta plays that put us in bad spots... THAT IS WHAT WE ARE MISSING... Rodgers is playin great for a rookie.. he really is, but that is the complete different in this offense this season... Favre knew what the hell he was doing which covered up the crappy shit he had infront of him

Absolute troll

By now I think everybody who has ever read a single thread in here knows you and Paco don't care for each other so it would be dam cool if we can stop this nonsense. One that calls Paco a Favre troll could just as easisy call you the Anti Favre troll.

[MJZiggy]

By now I think everybody who has ever read a single thread in here knows you and Paco don't care for each other so it would be dam cool if we can stop this nonsense. One that calls Paco a Favre troll could just as easisy call you the Anti Favre troll.

Kudos B.

[RashanGary]

Don't rule out... um... Justin Harrell. He's allegedly perfectly healthy now and will be back on the field at home against the Colts. He looked alright at the end of last season, and he's healthier now supposedly, so he might have something to add.

I'm very disappointed in Justin Harrell. I listened to a video interview of his at Packers.com and his head is in the wrong spot. When asked about his conditioning playing a part, he said, "who gets out in the offseason and works like they should?". He went on to sarcastically say there is no way you can prevent a herniated disc. That type of attitude does not sit well with me. He's not focused on what he can do better. He's focused on making excuses and justifying his poor behavior. Excuses bother me. If you want to be in good shape, that is a choice not bad luck. That's all there is to it. The injury is something I don't blame him for, but the work ethic is inexcusable and all I heard was excuses. Maybe he comes out and does well but he's not in the right frame of mind right now. He has to want to be the best and I think he's more concerned with his time off than with his career. It's a shame and I hope I'm wrong.

[Partial]

Justin Harrell has a deeper, more sexy voice than I imagined. He's like the bass singer from Boys II Men.

[MJZiggy]

Justin Harrell has a deeper, more sexy voice than I imagined. He's like the bass singer from Boys II Men.

Shit, P. I thought you were talking about the poster JustinHarrell...

[Rastak]

Justin Harrell has a deeper, more sexy voice than I imagined. He's like the bass singer from Boys II Men.

Shit, P. I thought you were talking about the poster JustinHarrell...

He wasn't?

[TheCheese]

Justin Harrell has a deeper, more sexy voice than I imagined. He's like the bass singer from Boys II Men.

haha awesome.

[Tony Oday]

I think TT has actually reloaded this DL however some things havent worked out. Harrell being a bust to date as a 1st rounder. Jenkins getting hurt. Pickett not as big of a load in the middle. KGB getting older. Montgomery still a year or two way.

I love Jolly playing DT with a strong DT to the side of him. Jenkins on the corner in run downs and on DE on passing downs. Kamp is a stud that commands double teams. KGB is a little over the hill but could still become a factor this season.

Williams was a good fir in our line that is why he got a GREAT contract for him but that would have been a bad contract for us. That being said I think on defense this year in the offseason to become a REALLY scary defense we bring in another run stopping DT PROVEN not a draft pick and a younger 3rd down rush specialist.

Another thought I had is we are not getting the push on the line right now at all. Its just the truth. Why not put 5 D Linemen on the line run a 5-2. Hawk on the TE and Let Barnett loose and make plays. If he cant well then we know exactlly what we have.

[BEARMAN]

Fire EVERYONE! Start over (next year)

[Fritz]

I know what Bretsky means about drafting D linemen. I know it's not the smartest thing necessarily to draft by position, but honestly I wouldn't mind seeing TT draft nothing but defensive and offensive linemen for the first three rounds next year.

Everything begins with the lines.

[mraynrand]

I thought the Packers were addressing the pressure part of the defense. But in reality, they've taken a major step back, and Jenkins' loss makes it even worse. Kampman is a fine lineman, but he's a technician, setting linemen up, winning by guile and preparation. There's no speed rush or burst there. I was surprised that KGB made the squad. There is no gas left in that tank. What else do they have? LBs? Hawk, maybe, but he's hurt (twice). Barnett - stop I may blow out my spleen laughing about that (sorry Al). There's no pass rush. None, zippo, nada. And the scheme doesn't really support blitzing. Plus, they are struggling with the run. The season is pretty much over, because of the defense. The offense I think will continue to improve, but this team will be lucky to limp into the playoffs and will never make it past a Divisional game on the road with the crap shit defense they have.

[mraynrand]

Why not put 5 D Linemen on the line run a 5-2. Hawk on the TE and Let Barnett loose and make plays. If he cant well then we know exactlly what we have.

This is pro football, not the Big Ten - you come out with a 5-2 and NFL offenses will gash you to ribbons with speed.