Brett Favre, Not A Top Ten Comeback QB?

[PackerPro42]

In this situation I tend to agree with that fat loser. Gosh Madden is annoying.

[The Leaper]

I dunno, John Madden keeps saying there's no one else he'd rather have around when you need a late score. He's been around, he must know what he's talking about...

John Madden also has 6 legged turkeys and likes circling guys butts. I'm glad he loves Favre, but his man love for Mississippi often is a little alarming...and I'm pretty sure Favre has thought of getting a restraining order on the fat man on occasion.

[PackerPro42]

Yeah one time I remeber him talking about how toned one guys butt was. And it wasn't just for a minute it was for a whole game.(GAY)

[HarveyWallbangers]

Regardless of those states I would still take Favre with 2 minutes left and we're down by 6. Favre is still the master.

Favre has not succeeded in that scenario since the 2000 season.

Rock listed some. Off the top of my head I can think of these games since 2002. The Minnesota victories in 2004, victories over Houston and Detroit (a game I was at) in 2004, at Tampa in 2003, Carolina and Atlanta (another game I was at) in 2002.

[HarveyWallbangers]

double post

[Harlan Huckleby]

Double Shot Power!

[esoxx]

Another comback game since 2000 was at Jax on a Sun or Mon night game. I believe he even ran in the winning TD himself.

As for the D giving up a lead late, how 'bout the '98 playoff game at SF? Favre drives them down the field and hooks up with Freeman for the score, only to see Young to TO with time expiring (of course after Rice had fumbled so the game was really over ).

[Noodle]

Essox, I think that was No. 3 in Patler's list.

Very, very, very painful, too.

[KYPack]

This article is the ultimate "figures lie and liars figure" example. One of the problems with these examples is the fact that I'm not gonna check this guy's math and methology, cause I don't give a shit.

I'm sure he's off somewhere, because his conclusions are bullshit.

If my teams down by 4 with little time left and deep in their own end, I'll tell you who I want running the huddle and leading the charge:

1. Brett Favre - this crazy boy will kill himself to get the score
2. Joe Montana - Seen him do it, it was horrible, he beat my team
3. Tom Brady - Joe Cool Jr.
4. John Elway - I know, I hate the SOB too, but he probably should be #2.

The author, Jason McKinley can have :

1. Vinny from the Jets
2. Jon (the midget) Kitna Sorry Partial, but no.
3. Kerry Collins
4. Jay Fiedler AKA the one armed man.

& my team will beat his brains out.

[havanother]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (at least I didn't see it) that this stat is incredibly biased. Think about it. The type of teams that are forced into fourth quarter comebacks are the ones that are consistantly behind. In reality you wouldn't want your QB on that list because it means your team is behind all the time. Brett being average at the comeback just means he gets the job done when he needs too, but the team doesn't have to rely solely on the QB to pull them through. The more attempts a team has at the comeback the more successful they'll be at it. Kitna??? I mean come on!

[pbmax]

This article is the ultimate "figures lie and liars figure" example. One of the problems with these examples is the fact that I'm not gonna check this guy's math and methology, cause I don't give a shit.

I'm sure he's off somewhere, because his conclusions are bullshit.

If my teams down by 4 with little time left and deep in their own end, I'll tell you who I want running the huddle and leading the charge:

1. Brett Favre - this crazy boy will kill himself to get the score
2. Joe Montana - Seen him do it, it was horrible, he beat my team
3. Tom Brady - Joe Cool Jr.
4. John Elway - I know, I hate the SOB too, but he probably should be #2.

The author, Jason McKinley can have :

1. Vinny from the Jets
2. Jon (the midget) Kitna Sorry Partial, but no.
3. Kerry Collins
4. Jay Fiedler AKA the one armed man.

& my team will beat his brains out.

Check the years KY, the stats for this only go back to 1996.

[pbmax]

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned (at least I didn't see it) that this stat is incredibly biased. Think about it. The type of teams that are forced into fourth quarter comebacks are the ones that are consistantly behind. In reality you wouldn't want your QB on that list because it means your team is behind all the time. Brett being average at the comeback just means he gets the job done when he needs too, but the team doesn't have to rely solely on the QB to pull them through. The more attempts a team has at the comeback the more successful they'll be at it. Kitna??? I mean come on!

The stats aren't biased. They aren't asking who is the greatest QB and we will measure the answer by fourth quarter comebacks alone.

The question is one angle, who has the most come from behind wins OVER the average QB in the league.

Having a good defense that keeps you in the lead would mean you have fewer games to consider, it wouldn't hamper an above the league norm performance. If you read the article at the site, Roethlisberger is 7-2, which is pretty good with a great defense but with a small number of opportunities to consider, statistically you can't say you can rely on this trend to continue.

[prsnfoto]

When the chips are down and your team must score isn't comforting to have

Kitna

Collins

or
Plummer

Those names immediately pop into your head.

Exactly, and I was just thinking how many of those 34 losses were just last year I am guessing 4-6 then his record looks a little better. I would admit I would take Brady over Brett at this point but Brady is going to start to find out what having no support is like.

[pbmax]

I'm not saying that didn't happen to other QBs too, but I would like to look at how many times Favre did his job, only to have the defense give it right back.

Yes, if you were to make a comparison of near comebacks, the numbers for all QBs would be different. However, since Favre had Jacke and Longwell, plus Hentrich and Bidwell for most of his career, he might come out worse, especially as his FG kickers have been quite good in crunch time.

from the article:

A complicating factor in this study has to do with a “near” comeback. For our purposes, a comeback was only counted as successful if it concluded with a victory (half-victories and half-losses were assigned to ties). What about a situation in which a quarterback brings his team from behind to take a lead only to see the other team march down and retake the lead with no time left? What about a quarterback putting his team in a position to win the game with a last minute field goal only to watch as the kicker shanks it? Including situations such as these would require a William Krasker-esque mathematical model which would assign appropriate win probabilities to different game circumstances. Such a model would be a wonderful achievement, but would be far too labor intensive in its creation to justify in this project.

[PackerPro42]

Dude I don't give a crap aboout stats when it comes to this stuff. It's al about heart and that's what Favre has. I don't know how many people would take Plummer over Favre. Would you?