Rodgers >> Favre

[Deputy Nutz]

Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

[PackerTimer]

Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

If the Packers defense was as healthy as they were last year, I think there's a good chance we're at least 5-2 and maybe 6-1.

[Bossman641]

The 2007 defense also gave up a lot fewer points, and the defense and special teams basically won a few games outright, Philly and Wasington games come to mind.

[ThunderDan]

Quite honestly, I agree with the premise of this thread, and have been saying it for a couple of weeks. Despite a weak schedule and offensive teammates that aren't devoid a talent, Brett looks more like the 2006 version of Brett than the one that had close to a career year last year. Take out the Cards game and you'd have a ton of people thinking he's a washed up 39-year-old QB (9 TDs and 10 interceptions).

Actually, watching the Jets vs. K.C. yesterday, I thought he looked a lot more like the 2005 version - like at Philly. Very strange play calling - especially on some third and 1 calls. Bad judgment going deep. On some of those ugly plays, Favre almost looks like a caricature of his worst reputation. Funny thing was that without about 5-6 really bad plays, he played really well. It's like Favre has gone totally schizophrenic - good Favre most of the time and them BAM - here's the bad Favre chucking one up. Plus his arm strength has clearly diminished.

In fairness to Brett and as hard as this is for me to admit the Jets o-line is actually worse than the Packers and that is really fucking bad. One pick was a yee-haw, one he was hit and the other depends on who you listen to the announcers and obviously Brett felt his reciever stopped his route ending in a bad looking pick taken to the house. Rodgers has played well and ironically the QB would have not been the problem for the Pack this year, at the beginning of the season the schedule looked very hard in reality it shouldn't be both the Jets and the Pack are similar teams both have a shot at the playoffs because of their weak divisions and both ain't going anywhere if they get there. The good news for all us Packer fans is if TT can ever actually draft a real O-lineman and D-lineman the sky is the limit please no more WR's we are quite stocked there now!

So TT is doing a good job then?

Alan Faneca was the best free agent Guard last year. People were pissed that TT didn't go after him. Now you are admitting that the Jets line is worse than the Packers. So TT must have known what he was doing on passing on Faneca?

I'm not sure your logic is right. The Jets were supposed to have one of the best lines this year. It may have not turned out that way but on paper they were golden before the first snap of the season.

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Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

If the Packers defense was as healthy as they were last year, I think there's a good chance we're at least 5-2 and maybe 6-1.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Just sayin' we could play the 'if' game all day long.

[pbmax]

Now now people. If Tank has taught us anything, its that Guards are THE MOST IMPORTANT ingredient in building a Super Bowl winner. Look at all the Super Bowls that New England has won since they signed Logan Mankins ::genuflect::.

It cannot be Faneca's fault that the Jets are struggling, unless he has suffered from overnight aging or a crippling back injury, neither of which are a Guard's fault ever.

The most likely suspect is the GM. Or the playcalling. The people who are responsible are probably of questionable sexual orientation too.

[pbmax]

We need a genuflect emoticon.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

If the Packers defense was as healthy as they were last year, I think there's a good chance we're at least 5-2 and maybe 6-1.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Just sayin' we could play the 'if' game all day long.

It's about as pertinent as pointing out the 2005 Packers were 1-6 at this point in the season.

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I don't get it?

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I think Favre is playing pretty decent over their considering their talent level. Let's not forget they were picking ahead of us in the draft when we got Hawk, but they don't see to know how to build a team and have shit for talent all over.

They have a respectable top 2 WR. That's about it. Ferguson has been a bust at T. Mangold has been ok at center after a great freshman year. Bubba is their TE... nuff said. Fanaca has been a dissapointment. They traded away a solid guard last year in Kendall. After their #1 and #2 receiver, they don't have anybody. Coles is a solid #1. Crotchstain is a solid #2.

They traded away their best DL to the Falcons two years ago for pennies in return. Ellis is getting old. Jenkins is old and fat. They traded away a stud linebacker for draft picks. They have a rookie starting at one of the OLB spots. They have one decent safety and one decent corner.

They're far from deep, or good, or anywhere near the Packers level of talent.

With that said, they have the same record, so they're playing well for their talent level. They're in a much more competitive division. Miami is showing to be for real, and NE looks awfully good as well. Buffalo looks solid as well.

[Deputy Nutz]

Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

If the Packers defense was as healthy as they were last year, I think there's a good chance we're at least 5-2 and maybe 6-1.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Just sayin' we could play the 'if' game all day long.

It's about as pertinent as pointing out the 2005 Packers were 1-6 at this point in the season.

Like I said, I ain't trying to predict the weather, but record comparison is a lot more accurate than comparing statistics of two QBs that play on totally different teams, I get that Rodgers throws the ball to himself, blocks for himself, runs the ball, you know all the things that Favre does for himself as well.

The comparison is stupid, and even during my argument stage, I certainly never supported a comparision between Rodgers and Favre. Shit why not just compare careers at this point? Where do the comparisions end?

Like Favre said, nothing in this game is guaranteed, nothing is consistent in the NFL from year to year, so again, be at peace watch the Packers, watch the Jets if you choose, but the second half of the year is starting, maybe we should just put this shit behind us.

[Deputy Nutz]

Not to get into any argument here since I have pulled myself from this ridiculous bullshit, but all I have to say is "SCORBOARD"!!!!!

In 2007 Favre's led Packers were 13-3, and at this point in the season they were 6-1, not like the 4-3 Rodgers led Packers.

Just cared to point that out, but hey I ain't trying to predict the weather or anything.

If the Packers defense was as healthy as they were last year, I think there's a good chance we're at least 5-2 and maybe 6-1.

Woulda shoulda coulda. Just sayin' we could play the 'if' game all day long.

It's about as pertinent as pointing out the 2005 Packers were 1-6 at this point in the season.

Different coaching staff totally different players, total roster overall since 2005. Anything else smart guy?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Different coaching staff totally different players, total roster overall since 2005. Anything else smart guy?

The point is. It's not the same team. It's not the same schedule. There aren't the same amount of injuries. The defenses aren't playing similarly. There's no telling if Favre would play like he did in 2006 or 2007. I've watched all of the Packer games and I've watched a majority of the Jets game, and it's pretty clear to me who is playing better. If you can't at least acknowledge that, then it's pretty useless to discuss.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I think Favre is playing pretty decent over their considering their talent level. Let's not forget they were picking ahead of us in the draft when we got Hawk, but they don't see to know how to build a team and have shit for talent all over.

They have a respectable top 2 WR. That's about it. Ferguson has been a bust at T. Mangold has been ok at center after a great freshman year. Bubba is their TE... nuff said. Fanaca has been a dissapointment. They traded away a solid guard last year in Kendall. After their #1 and #2 receiver, they don't have anybody. Coles is a solid #1. Crotchstain is a solid #2.

They traded away their best DL to the Falcons two years ago for pennies in return. Ellis is getting old. Jenkins is old and fat. They traded away a stud linebacker for draft picks. They have a rookie starting at one of the OLB spots. They have one decent safety and one decent corner.

They're far from deep, or good, or anywhere near the Packers level of talent.

With that said, they have the same record, so they're playing well for their talent level. They're in a much more competitive division. Miami is showing to be for real, and NE looks awfully good as well. Buffalo looks solid as well.

Whatever. The Jets have two good WRs in Cotchery and Coles. Stuckey isn't a bad slot receiver. Jones is a solid RB. Bubba isn't their primary TE. He's third in receptions. They have two solid pass catching TEs in Chris Baker and athletic rookie TE Dustin Keller. It's not his teammates fault that Brett's chucking it up whenever he gets any kind of pressure.

I understand there's a learning curve, but it should be smaller on a 16 year veteran and he's also had an easy schedule to deal with. He's thrown 3 TDs and 7 interceptions against the softest part of his schedule (Cincinnati, Oakland, and Kansas City).

[Deputy Nutz]

Different coaching staff totally different players, total roster overall since 2005. Anything else smart guy?

The point is. It's not the same team. It's not the same schedule. There aren't the same amount of injuries. The defenses aren't playing similarly. There's no telling if Favre would play like he did in 2006 or 2007. I've watched all of the Packer games and I've watched a majority of the Jets game, and it's pretty clear to me who is playing better. If you can't at least acknowledge that, then it's pretty useless to discuss.

Whatever. Really it doesn't matter, It is a total useless waste of time to bother discuss this, you at least got that right.