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  • Here are some INTELLIGENT conversations on todays game

    #1 - OL sucked. Across the board. Clifton is done, he needs to be pulled.

    #2 - Minnesota defensively had a great plan. They said you can't run the ball, so they had their 4 DL guys go as hard and fast as they could straight up field. We made no adjustment to that.

    #3 - Our defense played pretty well. Adrian Peterson is one of those guys that will get his yards, you just gotta contain him. But, again we made no adjustments. 2nd half Minny came out 3 wide, moving our LB's out, and continued to do the same stuff they did in the 1st half. Out schemed us.

    #4 - No attempt at the running game. Chad Clifton kills our Running game by himself, but that's besides the point. McCarthy allows no chance to improve and no chance to get any momentum going in the running game. 1st down we get 8 yards, then we throw the next 2 plays. What the hell is that? PROBABLY Aaron Rodgers fault there though huh?

    #5 - ZERO creativeness. Predictable when they run the ball, predictable when the throw the ball. I'm sure it's not the case, but it does seem as though we are running the same run plays and the same pass plays all the time. We run digs, hitches, comebacks, and slants. We have an occasional go route or deep posts/flags, but generally nothing different. Everytime we ran 5 wide, we ran 5 slants, most of them were to Driver in the middle...and the MLB never moved on any of those plays. I don't know what McCarthy was expecting, but whatever he was expecting, didn't work, but he didn't change. Running the ball is gross. Last week we ran 3 inside counter plays for 37 yards....what the hell? Why don't we do that 30 times? Today we ran 2 toss zones (zone play but instead of a hand off, it's a pitch) for 26 yards. Again, what the hell?

    #6 - Refs were horrible. BS safety call. BS illegal contact on Al Harris. NO illegal contact when Jennings got tripped. Adrian Peterson kept taking his helmet off on the field.

    #7 - I like Bishop...but wouldn't Chillar be a better choice as our #4 LB?

    #8 - Yes, Rodgers struggled...but how does this game become his fault? I guess I just don't get it. The man is getting creamed, and so many people expect him to just hang in there and be comfortable. I find it hard to blame the man.

    #9 - LB's! Barnett cannot get off blocks. Poopinga still takes horrible angles. Hawk needs to stop thinking...He's a reactionary player, I tend to feel Sanders "defense" has taken away his aggressiveness, wanting him to stay in his lanes, and other bs like that.

    #10 - More on the use of our RB's & TE's. When do we throw to RB's? Answer: 3rd and long, dump off to Brandon Jackson...and that's it. Teams know if they bring the house, we keep our RB's & TE's in, leaving only 2 or 3 WR's to go for a pass. Match up your DB's & send 8 guys, gotta get rid of the ball quickly, which weirdly enough...Minnesota did early & often.
    "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

  • #2
    The lack of offensive balance ( We have no creativity... I don't blame the running game or the OL, I blame the scrambling ).

    The lack of rush defense.

    Grant was running pretty well today I thought. He looks fast and strong again. Dude can only do so much without balance. Rodgers needs to get his act together.

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    • #3
      #4. They had a ton of penalties agin. That will kill any attempt to have a run game.

      #8.Their is a certian section that expects to play exactly like Favre did. Reasons for that are ovious. If ARod struggles, the cries get even louder than normal because of it.

      I agree with the rest of your excellent points and analysis.

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      • #4
        I don't get the blaming Rodgers either. He hung on a couple of times too long, for 90% of the time he had no chance. It's easy for us to sit on our coaches and yell at him for not making any plays, but when you have 300 pound guys constantly in your face and diving at you, you're going to flush the pocket too. The line is totally to blame for the lack of offense today imo..
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        • #5
          Originally posted by cpk1994
          #4. They had a ton of penalties agin. That will kill any attempt to have a run game.

          #8.Their is a certian section that expects to play exactly like Favre did. Reasons for that are ovious. If ARod struggles, the cries get even louder than normal because of it.

          I agree with the rest of your excellent points and analysis.
          Do I think Rodgers held the ball on plays, yes, but we might not have been able to look downfield to see how well guys were covered, cause we were keeping 7 guys in to pass protect.
          "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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          • #6
            Great post!

            I'll focus on one thing -- I think No. 2 (Minny D scheme of sending DL straight at us) and No. 5 (no creativity) were the absolute keys today. You bet the Zone Toss worked -- it got the RB outside the the DL and gave our suck OL a chance to cut.

            We don't screen to our RB (Grant's hands can't be THAT bad). We don't get the ball out quick to a receiver with a bubble screen. We just don't adjust. Counters would have also worked, as you say.

            But having Arod stand in there and get whacked when your OL blows is not a thinking man's way to win a ball game.

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            • #7
              It is always said that games are won/lost in the trenches. GB definitely lost the game in the trenches today.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by cpk1994
                #4. They had a ton of penalties agin. That will kill any attempt to have a run game.

                #8.Their is a certian section that expects to play exactly like Favre did. Reasons for that are ovious. If ARod struggles, the cries get even louder than normal because of it.

                I agree with the rest of your excellent points and analysis.
                The penalties are out of hand. This team is not focused imo. We have BY FAR the most penalties in the league. That's pretty ridiculous and does not seem like a McCarthy coached team.

                It's very tough to judge whether the play calling is bad or if Rodgers is being too conservative. Also, one could consider that now that their is some game tape of him available, teams are finding it much easier to account for him.

                4 out of the last 7 games have been awful for the passing offense. The ones that weren't: Seahawks (awful team this year), Indy ( pretty banged up team.. not exactly known for defense when Bob Sanders is out ), and a gutsy performance against the Falcons.

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                • #9
                  If I can just bitch on the refs one more time (I'm a coach, it comes easily)...Holding calls on Driver & another one on Colledge on 2 different run plays, bother were long run plays, killer. Bother were horrible calls.
                  "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ND72
                    If I can just bitch on the refs one more time (I'm a coach, it comes easily)...Holding calls on Driver & another one on Colledge on 2 different run plays, bother were long run plays, killer. Bother were horrible calls.

                    What the hell was the deal with the Vikings getting called on defense for holding ON A RUN?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Rastak
                      Originally posted by ND72
                      If I can just bitch on the refs one more time (I'm a coach, it comes easily)...Holding calls on Driver & another one on Colledge on 2 different run plays, bother were long run plays, killer. Bother were horrible calls.

                      What the hell was the deal with the Vikings getting called on defense for holding ON A RUN?

                      Here's the funny thing. By High School rule, it was defensive holding...how often do you see that in the NFL, eh. Was it defensive holding? Yes....in the NFL? NO
                      "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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                      • #12
                        I'm thinking Cliff needs to sit (you have no idea how I hate to say that).

                        You're right. Minny planned and executed well.

                        Collins and Woodson deserve defensive kudos for the picks--they force Woodson off his receiver and they still get the pick. Priceless.

                        Nah, there were a few times I expected them to air it out, but they didn't. Wonder how much Rodgers' shoulder is hurting.

                        Did Barnett ever come back in the game after he went out with that knee?
                        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cpk1994
                          It is always said that games are won/lost in the trenches. GB definitely lost the game in the trenches today.
                          If games will always be decided in the trenches than say goodbye to the playoffs.

                          We've just gotta have our secondary and offense overcome our lack of trench play. Today the secondary delivered, but the offense didn't.
                          "I've got one word for you- Dallas, Texas, Super Bowl"- Jermichael Finley

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MJZiggy
                            I'm thinking Cliff needs to sit (you have no idea how I hate to say that).

                            You're right. Minny planned and executed well.

                            Collins and Woodson deserve defensive kudos for the picks--they force Woodson off his receiver and they still get the pick. Priceless.

                            Nah, there were a few times I expected them to air it out, but they didn't. Wonder how much Rodgers' shoulder is hurting.

                            Did Barnett ever come back in the game after he went out with that knee?
                            Rogers shoulder is the $64,000 question. According to Aikman, Rodgers said it still bothers him.

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                            • #15
                              One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.
                              "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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