Here are some INTELLIGENT conversations on todays game

[Pacopete4]

Jennings as a wow guy?... ya he's really wow'd me the last 2 weeks? Like WOW where the hell are u?

[cpk1994]

I'm not sold on Jennings being a Wow guy. His strength has been slants and then YAC. But teams are starting to put a safety on top of him, allowing the CB to play him tighter, which I'm guessing (without having seen film) has made it harder for him to get open on the shorter routes. And it's tough to go downfield when the OL doesn't passpro for shite.

Grant was tough today, and can be close to WoW guy, but he has never struck me as the AD/Ahman Green home run type of runner that makes you say Wow.

But I think the reason for that is is becuase no other WR has stepped up to take the pressure off him. Someone has to be open if they are putting an extra defender on Jennings. Of course when your OL is a sieve its hard to get the ball to any WR in the first place.

[MJZiggy]

A WOW RB knocks guys backward when he hits them.

[Pacopete4]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

I thought this was called the intelligent conversation? What are you doing here?

I was thinking the same thing.

hehehe oh you guys!!!

[imscott72]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

There's no sense rehashing all this because we don't know what was really said or not said. As Brett said both sides could of done a better job communicating and handling the whole matter.

[Noodle]

A WOW RB knocks guys backward when he hits them.

Very true. Man I used to love the way AG finished runs -- he would definitely bring the pain.

[Pacopete4]

A WOW RB knocks guys backward when he hits them.

Very true. Man I used to love the way AG finished runs -- he would definitely bring the pain.

ya he was a very good runner... but not great

[texaspackerbacker]

Re: Here are some INTELLIGENT conversations on todays game

#1 - OL sucked. Across the board. Clifton is done, he needs to be pulled.

#2 - Minnesota defensively had a great plan. They said you can't run the ball, so they had their 4 DL guys go as hard and fast as they could straight up field. We made no adjustment to that.

#3 - Our defense played pretty well. Adrian Peterson is one of those guys that will get his yards, you just gotta contain him. But, again we made no adjustments. 2nd half Minny came out 3 wide, moving our LB's out, and continued to do the same stuff they did in the 1st half. Out schemed us.

#4 - No attempt at the running game. Chad Clifton kills our Running game by himself, but that's besides the point. McCarthy allows no chance to improve and no chance to get any momentum going in the running game. 1st down we get 8 yards, then we throw the next 2 plays. What the hell is that? PROBABLY Aaron Rodgers fault there though huh?

#5 - ZERO creativeness. Predictable when they run the ball, predictable when the throw the ball. I'm sure it's not the case, but it does seem as though we are running the same run plays and the same pass plays all the time. We run digs, hitches, comebacks, and slants. We have an occasional go route or deep posts/flags, but generally nothing different. Everytime we ran 5 wide, we ran 5 slants, most of them were to Driver in the middle...and the MLB never moved on any of those plays. I don't know what McCarthy was expecting, but whatever he was expecting, didn't work, but he didn't change. Running the ball is gross. Last week we ran 3 inside counter plays for 37 yards....what the hell? Why don't we do that 30 times? Today we ran 2 toss zones (zone play but instead of a hand off, it's a pitch) for 26 yards. Again, what the hell?

#6 - Refs were horrible. BS safety call. BS illegal contact on Al Harris. NO illegal contact when Jennings got tripped. Adrian Peterson kept taking his helmet off on the field.

#7 - I like Bishop...but wouldn't Chillar be a better choice as our #4 LB?

#8 - Yes, Rodgers struggled...but how does this game become his fault? I guess I just don't get it. The man is getting creamed, and so many people expect him to just hang in there and be comfortable. I find it hard to blame the man.

#9 - LB's! Barnett cannot get off blocks. Poopinga still takes horrible angles. Hawk needs to stop thinking...He's a reactionary player, I tend to feel Sanders "defense" has taken away his aggressiveness, wanting him to stay in his lanes, and other bs like that.

#10 - More on the use of our RB's & TE's. When do we throw to RB's? Answer: 3rd and long, dump off to Brandon Jackson...and that's it. Teams know if they bring the house, we keep our RB's & TE's in, leaving only 2 or 3 WR's to go for a pass. Match up your DB's & send 8 guys, gotta get rid of the ball quickly, which weirdly enough...Minnesota did early & often.

I agree with most of what you say.

Chillar is not a MLB. It had to be Bishop.

Hawk is stinking it up this season--looking like a total bust. I hope it's injuries, and he snaps out of it, but he looks slow, weak, and not agile.

We couldn't use bubble screens or whatever--too much penetration--it could have been a pick six.

Anybody doesn't like the way Rodgers handled good coverage/good pressure against him--too much hesitation, not taking enough chances, look no further than Frerotte. He damn near blew the game for them doing things the other way.

Yes, the Viking pass rush was awesome; Yes, Peterson is a force of nature. However, I've seen more than a few other Viking games this year where AP was downright ordinary and their D was nothing special at all. Maybe the Packers ineptness made them that good today, but I prefer to think we just ran into a fairly decent team playing way over their heads (on D, anyway) and a superstar RB finally getting healthy and playing like he should.

I have a bad feeling the detractors are going to find out that Nick Barnett is a helluva lot better and more important than they give him credit for. The injury didn't look like a back-next-week type thing--either moderately serious or else very serious. I hope I'm wrong.

I'd like to see more Rouse and a little less Bigby. Actually, I'd like to see both on the field with one less linebacker.

I say again, it is pure stupidity to bad mouth the Bob Sanders defense. Some talking head on the pre-game show said, "the best pass defense is a good pass rush". WRONG! The best pass defense is good coverage and DBs that make plays.

Despite the outcome of today's game, I'll take the Packers D over the Vikings D any day. And the Vikings are damn good.

Oh yeah, the refs really DID suck, but there were enough justified penalties to say the Packer were really ragged.

And one more thing, does anybody still want to claim Rodgers is "fragile"?

[Pacopete4]

Re: Here are some INTELLIGENT conversations on todays game

#1 - OL sucked. Across the board. Clifton is done, he needs to be pulled.

#2 - Minnesota defensively had a great plan. They said you can't run the ball, so they had their 4 DL guys go as hard and fast as they could straight up field. We made no adjustment to that.

#3 - Our defense played pretty well. Adrian Peterson is one of those guys that will get his yards, you just gotta contain him. But, again we made no adjustments. 2nd half Minny came out 3 wide, moving our LB's out, and continued to do the same stuff they did in the 1st half. Out schemed us.

#4 - No attempt at the running game. Chad Clifton kills our Running game by himself, but that's besides the point. McCarthy allows no chance to improve and no chance to get any momentum going in the running game. 1st down we get 8 yards, then we throw the next 2 plays. What the hell is that? PROBABLY Aaron Rodgers fault there though huh?

#5 - ZERO creativeness. Predictable when they run the ball, predictable when the throw the ball. I'm sure it's not the case, but it does seem as though we are running the same run plays and the same pass plays all the time. We run digs, hitches, comebacks, and slants. We have an occasional go route or deep posts/flags, but generally nothing different. Everytime we ran 5 wide, we ran 5 slants, most of them were to Driver in the middle...and the MLB never moved on any of those plays. I don't know what McCarthy was expecting, but whatever he was expecting, didn't work, but he didn't change. Running the ball is gross. Last week we ran 3 inside counter plays for 37 yards....what the hell? Why don't we do that 30 times? Today we ran 2 toss zones (zone play but instead of a hand off, it's a pitch) for 26 yards. Again, what the hell?

#6 - Refs were horrible. BS safety call. BS illegal contact on Al Harris. NO illegal contact when Jennings got tripped. Adrian Peterson kept taking his helmet off on the field.

#7 - I like Bishop...but wouldn't Chillar be a better choice as our #4 LB?

#8 - Yes, Rodgers struggled...but how does this game become his fault? I guess I just don't get it. The man is getting creamed, and so many people expect him to just hang in there and be comfortable. I find it hard to blame the man.

#9 - LB's! Barnett cannot get off blocks. Poopinga still takes horrible angles. Hawk needs to stop thinking...He's a reactionary player, I tend to feel Sanders "defense" has taken away his aggressiveness, wanting him to stay in his lanes, and other bs like that.

#10 - More on the use of our RB's & TE's. When do we throw to RB's? Answer: 3rd and long, dump off to Brandon Jackson...and that's it. Teams know if they bring the house, we keep our RB's & TE's in, leaving only 2 or 3 WR's to go for a pass. Match up your DB's & send 8 guys, gotta get rid of the ball quickly, which weirdly enough...Minnesota did early & often.

I agree with most of what you say.

Chillar is not a MLB. It had to be Bishop.

Hawk is stinking it up this season--looking like a total bust. I hope it's injuries, and he snaps out of it, but he looks slow, weak, and not agile.

We couldn't use bubble screens or whatever--too much penetration--it could have been a pick six.

Anybody doesn't like the way Rodgers handled good coverage/good pressure against him--too much hesitation, not taking enough chances, look no further than Frerotte. He damn near blew the game for them.

Yes, the Viking pass rush was awesome; Yes, Peterson is a force of nature. However, I've seen more than a few other Viking games this year where AP was downright ordinary and their D was nothing special at all. Maybe the Packers ineptness made them that good today, but I prefer to think we just ran into a fairly decent team playing way over their heads (on D, anyway) and a superstar RB finally getting healthy and playing like he should.

I have a bad feeling the detractors are going to find out that Nick Barnett is a helluva lot better and more important than they give him credit for. The injury didn't look like a back-next-week type thing--either moderately serious or else very serious. I hope I'm wrong.

I'd like to see more Rouse and a little less Bigby. Actually, I'd like to see both on the field with one less linebacker.

I say again, it is pure stupidity to bad mouth the Bob Sanders defense. Some talking head on the pre-game show said, "the best pass defense is a good pass rush". WRONG! The best pass defense is good coverage and DBs that make plays.

Despite the outcome of today's game, I'll take the Packers D over the Vikings D any day. And the Vikings are damn good.

Oh yeah, the refs really DID suck, but there were enough justified penalties to say the Packer were really ragged.

And one more thing, does anybody still want to claim Rodgers is "fragile"?

eh, maybe... but i still claim hes not a winner

[dissident94]

Ok Rodgers takes no blame I guess for playing like crap for a few weeks now. He isn't playing well. I commend him for plyaing throuhg pain. But the rush is bad but not crazy. I still stand by it that he is making the pass rush look better than it is against us for weeks. He scrambles right into the rush sometimes instead of staying in the pocket. NOt only this game but for awhile now.

[MJZiggy]

What I don't understand, is that in the first couple of games, he'd run for the first down if nothing was available and he had the room. The last couple of weeks, he's done no north and south running. No sneaks either.

[Pacopete4]

What I don't understand, is that in the first couple of games, he'd run for the first down if nothing was available and he had the room. The last couple of weeks, he's done no north and south running. No sneaks either.

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=15583

[cpk1994]

What I don't understand, is that in the first couple of games, he'd run for the first down if nothing was available and he had the room. The last couple of weeks, he's done no north and south running. No sneaks either.

Kind of hard to run North south when the interior of the OL can't even create apocket.

[MJZiggy]

There were a couple plays today where he ran out of the collapsing pocket and had some daylight in front of him...I'm not saying, I'm just sayin'

[Gunakor]

One thing I've been frustrated with our lack of WOW guys on offense. Tennessee had Chris Johnson, Minnesota has AP...and that's just the past 2 weeks. We don't have "that guy" on offense. Jennings is probably our closest guy, but you gotta be able to get him the ball.

We traded our wow guy for a 4th round conditional pick. You don't trade 'Wow' guys!!

What else were they suppose to do with him? He didn't want to play here even after given the opportunity to do so. Please stop blaming the Packers for Brett wanting out.

maybe cuz he was treated like trash?... hes done more for us than TT/MM will do combined and treated like trash? I'd wanna play elsewhere too...

Goes both ways Paco, Favre is no saint.