26th? You're kidding me?

[pbmax]

Are we going off ESPN rankings or are we foing off stats?

I am trying to go off any objective information I can lay my hands on, plus my eyeballs.

And that lead me to conclude, however dumb and ill-informed Golic, Stinky and TrojanBoy are, our pass defense is closer to 26th than 1st. Based entirely off last year, I'd say we are 20th.

Add Woodson, Manuel, Pickett and Hawk plus I like the Allen addition, I think we are moving up, esp. if Woodson plays the most of the season.

But the odds are good that the offenses we will face this year will be better than last year's collection of defective units.

So we could improve and still be in the second half of the league.

I'm betting on 15th if Sanders is as good as Bates.

[MJZiggy]

See? Now that sounds more reasonable. I'm not such a homer that I think we are gonna have a number 1 defense this year, but neither are we bottom of the barrel. I think our D is middle of the pack and we have to work pretty hard on improving our run-stuffing skills and our turnover ratio and if we can do that, we should see a much happier outcome this season. Then perhaps next year, the "experts " might rank us more toward where we should be.

[packrulz]

ESPN never was very pro Packer IMO. It seems like they talk up the big market teams to boost their ratings. But, the Packers do have lots of question marks. They'll do better than 4-12, but how much better is anyone's guess. After the Bears, the 1st half of the schedule isn't that tough, if they can get off to a good start & win the divisional games I don't think 9-6 is out of the question. It's the NFC North were talking here.

[BallHawk]

I don't think 9-6 is out of the question. It's the NFC North were talking here.

In all reality, 9-6 is defintely out of the question. JK, I know what you meant.

I think we'll go 10-6. We'll be the 2004 San Diego Chargers.(4-12 to 12-4)

[packrulz]

I don't think 9-6 is out of the question. It's the NFC North were talking here.

In all reality, 9-6 is defintely out of the question. JK, I know what you meant.

I think we'll go 10-6. We'll be the 2004 San Diego Chargers.(4-12 to 12-4)

Whoops. No wonder my math teacher used to yank on my ear! I meant 9-7.

[Deputy Nutz]

Anything in the Carolinas rocks.

LOL!

I lived in Rock Hill, SC for a summer (near Charlotte) and worked extensively in Clover, Fort Mill, Lancaster - they all sucked - big time. Charlotte was alright but I got turned off by the Deep South (bible belt, hot/humid, trailers, racism) - and this is not a generalization. Unless you're in a large city, I'd steer clear of the Carolinas.

I totally disagree with you on this one. I would move to North Carolina in a heart beat. Charlotte is on of the most wonderful, and progressive cities in America. The Coast line of the Carolinas is just a wonderful place to be, just beautiful.

[Fosco33]

Anything in the Carolinas rocks.

LOL!

I lived in Rock Hill, SC for a summer (near Charlotte) and worked extensively in Clover, Fort Mill, Lancaster - they all sucked - big time. Charlotte was alright but I got turned off by the Deep South (bible belt, hot/humid, trailers, racism) - and this is not a generalization. Unless you're in a large city, I'd steer clear of the Carolinas.

I totally disagree with you on this one. I would move to North Carolina in a heart beat. Charlotte is on of the most wonderful, and progressive cities in America. The Coast line of the Carolinas is just a wonderful place to be, just beautiful.

I never dissed Charlotte. I'd recommend an extended visit if you plan on moving to the rural areas.

[woodbuck27]

ONE WORD ! NUTS ! !

[BallHawk]

If we moved to NC, we'd defintely be moving to Charlotte.

Harlan, you ever visited Naples?

[BallHawk]

And ESPN ranked our rush defense 26th.

[BallHawk]

And Sean Salseburry thinks we'll struggle to win 5 games. What a dumbfuck.

[Dabaddestbear]

The only person who sort of believes in the Packers is Chris Mortenson. I remember him on draft day saying that they could either go 5-11, 6-10, or make it into the playoffs.

each win total for the Packers went up as he took another pull on his bong.

[Fosco33]

The only person who sort of believes in the Packers is Chris Mortenson. I remember him on draft day saying that they could either go 5-11, 6-10, or make it into the playoffs.

each win total for the Packers went up as he took another pull on his bong.

All the talking heads can't change the fact that winning and losing are done by players and coaches. Talk is cheap.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I've been saying this for a long time, but most of the national writers don't know much about each individual team. Imagine how much time we invest to learn about the Packers. Do you think most national writers are going to invest that much time to really learn about 32 teams? A few do. I can't see a guy like Salisbury investing that much time. I'm sure he's too busying enjoying his money. They take the latest buzz and run with it. I'd bet that I do as much research as 90% of the national writers. Of course, I don't have the resources they do. I do it for the Madden franchise style fantasy football league I'm in. I'd bet 95% of my free time is spent researching or on here.

[Willard]

I agree with Harvey. These guys (Golik, Stank, Salisbury) are barely prepared for these stupid segments. They have a few notes written down on cocktail napkins, they do not justify their selections with any pertinent facts (statisitics, player gains/losses). All in all it is bad TV.

But I don't care. I am in the camp that likes going into the season as an underdog. It has been years since we entered a season with such low expectations on our team. Let's all try to enjoy it. If the team clicks on all cylinders we will all get to chuckle at those who thought we would be as sucky as we were last year!