HEY HO..TED MUST GO

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I am with you on the philosophy part of bigger guys for cold conditions. There is a reason animals are bigger up north and it applies to football also.

Care to illustrate this point? Seems to me the largest land mammals live in warm weather...elephants, rhinos, hippotamus, etc.

[The Gunshooter]

I am with you on the philosophy part of bigger guys for cold conditions. There is a reason animals are bigger up north and it applies to football also.

Care to illustrate this point? Seems to me the largest land mammals live in warm weather...elephants, rhinos, hippotamus, etc.

That's because I am talking about America. Africa has soccer and that why the animals are assbackwards.

[Fritz]

The cockroaches are bigger in Texas.

[vince]

I am with you on the philosophy part of bigger guys for cold conditions. There is a reason animals are bigger up north and it applies to football also.

Care to illustrate this point? Seems to me the largest land mammals live in warm weather...elephants, rhinos, hippotamus, etc.

Surely you've heard of the abominable giant penguins, crackhead.

[Packers4Ever]

I disagree. They don't vote because "unreplacable" is scaring them away and they refuse to come back.

The author obviously meant 'irreplaceable.'
The score is approx. 25% for him to leave, 75% to remain here.

We need TT here, he obviously succeeds at what other GMs haven't.

[cpk1994]

Wow--look at how a real discussion can develope if people quit bashing other posters. The whole slew comes out and wastes 2.5 pages bashing one poster, with nothing intelligent to say on the subject. Now who are the trolls around here......Some of you really need to get through high school...This is a viable topic if discussed. There are viable reasons to want TT fired....but we can't discuss that, because of the thread hijacking police!

Talk about Pot calling kettle....

another useless post

You tell people to get through high school. But I seem to recall that you posted enough useless threads in 10-15 minutes to cover the entire first page of the forum a couple of weeks ago. So who needs to get through High school?

Yep I did and I have. Thing is you haven't. You can't help yourself I guess. You refuse to give any credence to the idea that Packer management made a mistake or Brett maybe should still be here. Mostly your here to bash anything positive said about Brett. You are a Brett junkie on the other side of the fence.

There are pros and cons both ways on this issue and both have legitimate arguments. What side you fall on doesn't really matter at this point, it is done....I'm sure this trade will be discussed for years to come here and nationally as well. Thing is many on here will discuss Brett and how he is doing as long as he plays. Face it we are all Packer fans, but many are Brett fans as well. I'm sure all Brett fans would pull for the Packers if they played against Brett, but you don't have to wash your hands of Brett to be a Packer fan. You seem to think you do. Obviously, even if some don't think so, Brett is a viable topic. His threads seem to attract the most response....

Of course I don't give credence to that idea because I don't believe it was a mistake and Brett should be gone. Brett had been pulling his diva act for 5 years. A diva act that Mike Sherman enabled like putting gas on a fire becuase he didn't have the spine to do his job It was about time someone stood up to his B.S. and put an end to it. I continue to applaud TT and M3 for having the backbone that Sherman clearly didn't have. No one player is above the team. Football is a team sport. PLayers win together and they lose together. Unfortunately, Brett never learned that lesson.
You want to be poisitve about Brett? Fine. But if you are going, like Gex and Paco constantly do, to bag on Rodgers becuase he is not Brett, or root for the Packers to fail becuase management wouldn't kiss Lord Favre's ring and give him whatever he wants and bag on the team by using any success Brett has in New York and rub it in, then damn right you are not a Packer fan and you will be called on it. True Packer fans support the TEAM. True fans will support Aaron Rodgers when he takes the field. There are those who don't do that(and I don't mean Rastak and the two bear trolls) on this forum simply becuase Brett is no longer here. That is disgraceful.

[Tarlam!]

Honestly?

Is it worth the fight?

I think all Packer fans love and respect/ loathe and hate Brett Favre for all the right reasons.

He is an incredible player. He is just a great guy, from what I get outta TV. He helped the Packers more than his 1/53rd share as a team member every year he was with the Packers.

There can be no doubt, Favre was a unique Packer and we, as fans, would be delighted if we get another like him.

But, this discussion of whether he went at the right time or not is really a non issue.

He went. He wanted to go. He had his reasons. There can be no blame. Alternatively, equal blame must be shared.

Our in-fighting here doesn't even make for interesting reading anymore.

[pbmax]

Honestly?

Is it worth the fight?

Our in-fighting here doesn't even make for interesting reading anymore.

Could not be truer if etched into stone. Stop boring everyone by repeating yourselves.

[]{ilr]3]

Honestly?

Is it worth the fight?

I think all Packer fans love and respect/ loathe and hate Brett Favre for all the right reasons.

He is an incredible player. He is just a great guy, from what I get outta TV. He helped the Packers more than his 1/53rd share as a team member every year he was with the Packers.

There can be no doubt, Favre was a unique Packer and we, as fans, would be delighted if we get another like him.

But, this discussion of whether he went at the right time or not is really a non issue.

He went. He wanted to go. He had his reasons. There can be no blame. Alternatively, equal blame must be shared.

Our in-fighting here doesn't even make for interesting reading anymore.

Amen to that!

I have some pretty strong feelings about this as well and several times I have started replies based on those feeling and by the time I am finished with them and re-read them I almost always decide not to post it as they would only serve to polarize us even more (not that my opinion carries any wieght around here :P ).

I pretty much save all my totally biased one way glasses for when I post about the Bears or the Vikings

[LEWCWA]

Wow--look at how a real discussion can develope if people quit bashing other posters. The whole slew comes out and wastes 2.5 pages bashing one poster, with nothing intelligent to say on the subject. Now who are the trolls around here......Some of you really need to get through high school...This is a viable topic if discussed. There are viable reasons to want TT fired....but we can't discuss that, because of the thread hijacking police!

Talk about Pot calling kettle....

another useless post

You tell people to get through high school. But I seem to recall that you posted enough useless threads in 10-15 minutes to cover the entire first page of the forum a couple of weeks ago. So who needs to get through High school?

Yep I did and I have. Thing is you haven't. You can't help yourself I guess. You refuse to give any credence to the idea that Packer management made a mistake or Brett maybe should still be here. Mostly your here to bash anything positive said about Brett. You are a Brett junkie on the other side of the fence.

There are pros and cons both ways on this issue and both have legitimate arguments. What side you fall on doesn't really matter at this point, it is done....I'm sure this trade will be discussed for years to come here and nationally as well. Thing is many on here will discuss Brett and how he is doing as long as he plays. Face it we are all Packer fans, but many are Brett fans as well. I'm sure all Brett fans would pull for the Packers if they played against Brett, but you don't have to wash your hands of Brett to be a Packer fan. You seem to think you do. Obviously, even if some don't think so, Brett is a viable topic. His threads seem to attract the most response....

Of course I don't give credence to that idea because I don't believe it was a mistake and Brett should be gone. Brett had been pulling his diva act for 5 years. A diva act that Mike Sherman enabled like putting gas on a fire becuase he didn't have the spine to do his job It was about time someone stood up to his B.S. and put an end to it. I continue to applaud TT and M3 for having the backbone that Sherman clearly didn't have. No one player is above the team. Football is a team sport. PLayers win together and they lose together. Unfortunately, Brett never learned that lesson.
You want to be poisitve about Brett? Fine. But if you are going, like Gex and Paco constantly do, to bag on Rodgers becuase he is not Brett, or root for the Packers to fail becuase management wouldn't kiss Lord Favre's ring and give him whatever he wants and bag on the team by using any success Brett has in New York and rub it in, then damn right you are not a Packer fan and you will be called on it. True Packer fans support the TEAM. True fans will support Aaron Rodgers when he takes the field. There are those who don't do that(and I don't mean Rastak and the two bear trolls) on this forum simply becuase Brett is no longer here. That is disgraceful.

It might be nice if you didn't embllish your statements! As far as I can tell, there was never any doubt about Brett playing until after the 4-12 season. He had mentioned retirement b4 that, but only in the context that the day was getting near. After 4-12 is when he really considered retirement, so that makes this year the 3rd year of your so called DIVA act. Big damn deal. You make my point for me. Just because I don't agree with you, doesn't mean there aren't valid reasons for moving on. I accept that, just like you should accept that there are valid reasons for Brett to still be QB'ing the Pack. Anybody that bashes, Brett the way you do is a piss poor fan. As far as I can tell, Rodgers has proven nothing to this point. He is 5-5 as a starter played well at times and played poorly at times. I've seen plenty of QB's play like him and be relegated to backup duty or out of the league within a couple years or toil in mediocrity for years. I do know one thing, he has had the ball in his hands in at least 3 of their losses late in the game and laid an egg. I don't believe Brett would have laid 3 eggs, with the game on the line.

[Gunakor]

I do know one thing, he has had the ball in his hands in at least 3 of their losses late in the game and laid an egg. I don't believe Brett would have laid 3 eggs, with the game on the line.

ORLY? Brett has thrown an INT in overtime of a playoff game twice in his career. Not only has he laid eggs in his career, he's done so on a much bigger stage than Rodgers has ever stepped on. How about the 6 INT's he threw in St. Louis? He's laid his fair share of eggs. He's done so more than once, with the SEASON on the line rather than just the game.

So let's at least be fair about things. Favre at times in his career has looked MUCH worse than Rodgers has at any point this season.

And, to be fair, the loss to Minnesota can't be laid on Aaron Rodgers shoulders - even and especially looking at the very last drive of the game. He got the Pack into long distance FG range, and then was saddled with piss poor playcalls from MM that hampered his ability to get them into a more comfortable FG situation. Crosby missed the kick, not Rodgers.

[prsnfoto]

I do know one thing, he has had the ball in his hands in at least 3 of their losses late in the game and laid an egg. I don't believe Brett would have laid 3 eggs, with the game on the line.

ORLY? Brett has thrown an INT in overtime of a playoff game twice in his career. Not only has he laid eggs in his career, he's done so on a much bigger stage than Rodgers has ever stepped on. How about the 6 INT's he threw in St. Louis? He's laid his fair share of eggs. He's done so more than once, with the SEASON on the line rather than just the game.

So let's at least be fair about things. Favre at times in his career has looked MUCH worse than Rodgers has at any point this season.

And, to be fair, the loss to Minnesota can't be laid on Aaron Rodgers shoulders - even and especially looking at the very last drive of the game. He got the Pack into long distance FG range, and then was saddled with piss poor playcalls from MM that hampered his ability to get them into a more comfortable FG situation. Crosby missed the kick, not Rodgers.

I find it funny how when Rodgers loses games it is never his fault but whenever they lost before it was always Brett's fault. I thought I saw the other day Brett is 8-1 in regular season OT games and 0-2 in the playoffs now I could make plenty of excuses for both those playoff games and how they never should have gone to OT, but generally once you are saddled with playing OT most of the time it falls on two guys to come through the QB and the Kicker and 8-3 lifetime is pretty damn good.

[LEWCWA]

I do know one thing, he has had the ball in his hands in at least 3 of their losses late in the game and laid an egg. I don't believe Brett would have laid 3 eggs, with the game on the line.

ORLY? Brett has thrown an INT in overtime of a playoff game twice in his career. Not only has he laid eggs in his career, he's done so on a much bigger stage than Rodgers has ever stepped on. How about the 6 INT's he threw in St. Louis? He's laid his fair share of eggs. He's done so more than once, with the SEASON on the line rather than just the game.

So let's at least be fair about things. Favre at times in his career has looked MUCH worse than Rodgers has at any point this season.

And, to be fair, the loss to Minnesota can't be laid on Aaron Rodgers shoulders - even and especially looking at the very last drive of the game. He got the Pack into long distance FG range, and then was saddled with piss poor playcalls from MM that hampered his ability to get them into a more comfortable FG situation. Crosby missed the kick, not Rodgers.

I wondered how long it would take for someone to mention Favre and the playoffs. Did I once say Favre hasn't had his share of eggs? Point being I believe, Brett would have won 1 or 2 of those games for the Packers and Rodgers didn't. Simple as that. I believe the Pack would be 6-4 or 7-3 with Favre under center. I do agree MM puked the end of the MN game, but the last play Rodgers could have tried to make a bigger play, in my opinion. To say the loss can't be laid on AR's shoulders is BS. He didn't do shit all day. When the guy plays a poor game please call it what it was. Winners don't make excuses, and I'm sure he wouldn't. I would bet he would say there were plays to be made and he didn't make them....I have respect for Rodgers and his play. He just hasn't shown that he will take the next step. Hopefully he will, it is still early in his run!

[Patler]

I find it funny how when Rodgers loses games it is never his fault but whenever they lost before it was always Brett's fault. I thought I saw the other day Brett is 8-1 in regular season OT games and 0-2 in the playoffs now I could make plenty of excuses for both those playoff games and how they never should have gone to OT, but generally once you are saddled with playing OT most of the time it falls on two guys to come through the QB and the Kicker and 8-3 lifetime is pretty damn good.

Just like when Favre threw an interception, to many fans it was never Favre's fault. The receiver screwed up, or Favre was "just trying to win", as if no other players want to win. "Trying to win" somehow made up for "silly decision" in those circumstances.

In all honesty, it is hard to blame a QB for an overtime loss when he doesn't even see the field in the overtime, especially after driving his team to a late score in the 4th quarter. It is also hard to blame him when he picks up enough yardage so that the head coach backs off, thinking they are already close enough for the winning fieldgoal. It is also easy to blame the QB when he throws an ill-advised interception in overtime or at the end of the game to put the other team in position to win.

[Patler]

I do agree MM puked the end of the MN game, but the last play Rodgers could have tried to make a bigger play, in my opinion. To say the loss can't be laid on AR's shoulders is BS. He didn't do shit all day. When the guy plays a poor game please call it what it was. Winners don't make excuses, and I'm sure he wouldn't. I would bet he would say there were plays to be made and he didn't make them....I have respect for Rodgers and his play. He just hasn't shown that he will take the next step. Hopefully he will, it is still early in his run!

There is a difference between a guy playing poorly when the conditions were there to play well, and a guy playing poorly when he didn't have much of a chance to play well. My feeling is that in Minnesota, Rodgers didn't have a chance to play well. He took some head snapping hits and was knocked down or sacked on half of his drop backs. Before you say he held the ball too long, I will point out that writers, coaches and players all agreed that was the case only a time or two. More often Rodgers was getting hit even before he completed his drop.

I would argue that Rodgers didn't really play that poorly, under the conditions. He avoided the killer mistake, even under immense pressure. That was one reason why the Packers still had a chance to win at the end. I'm not forgetting the play of the defense or special teams, just pointing out that Rodgers did not throw a bunch of interceptions when pressured. If he had, even the run back TDs wouldn't have helped.

If you are objective, you should acknowledge that game had the right conditions for Favre to have thrown 3 or 4 interceptions, as he did on somewhat regular occasions when under a strong rush and trying to "make a play" when behind. Rodgers was smart by keeping it close enough that others could make plays to give the Packers a chance. Maybe Favre would have won it, maybe he would have taken all chance for a win away with multiple interceptions. Hard to tell.

As for the last play, Rodgers could have gambled, maybe come up big, or maybe have eliminated even the chance for the game-winning kick. In my book, nothing wrong with putting it on the toe of Crosby, indoors for the win as they did.