What's better than beating the Bears?

[RashanGary]

In Brett Favre's 17 year career he's had a QB rating as high or higher than Aaron Rodgers QB rating this year. . . . . 3 times. That's it. Three times.

Aaron is doing a really good job and for most of the season he's done it with a struggling running game. We're comparing him to an all time great and his numbers hold up. We're comparing him to the best in the game right now and his numbers hold up. That says a lot about Aaron Rodgers. Oh yeah, and that HOFer we compare him to has had some great rushing teams and great OL's and still only had three years with as high of rating as Rodgers in his entire career. The Rodgers is a game manager stuff is just not true. He's doing a lot. Throwing a lot of picks doens't mean you're a better QB. Thats the only stat Rodgers isn't competing with Brett on.

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The Packers have the 16th ranked defense in points allowed and the 5th rated QB in QB rating, 7th in TD passes and has thrown fewer picks than just about all of the other leading passers. Oh yeah, and that QB hasn't practiced for most of the year, is 24 years old and has never started an NFL football game before the start of this season, of which he's playing probowl football.

It sounds like your metrics and logic start with an opinion that you won't let go, it gets filled in with what you want to believe and then that opinion gets distributed on this forum in a way that can't be construed as anything but garbage. LIke I said, let it go. I know your'e not this stupid in real life.

Chad Pennington always has a solid QB rating as well. To this point, Rodgers reminds me a lot of a game manager like Pennington than someone that can win you a game. He's afraid to make a mistake imo.

Stupid? Look at the stats. Since the Detroit game, Aaron has played 9 games. 5 of them have been good games, including today. Then, he had a three pick performance against Tampa in which we lost. A terrible performance against Dallas. A terrible performance against Minne and a terrible performance against Tennessee. The proof is in the pudding.

[VegasPackFan]

And so once again a fun little thread begins to go down the toilet. Every fucking thread has to end up with a Favre debate.

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In Brett Favre's 17 year career he's had a QB rating as high or higher than Aaron Rodgers QB rating this year. . . . . 3 times. That's it. Three times.

Aaron is doing a really good job and for most of the season he's done it with a struggling running game. We're comparing him to an all time great and his numbers hold up. We're comparing him to the best in the game right now and his numbers hold up. That says a lot about Aaron Rodgers. Oh yeah, and that HOFer we compare him to has had some great rushing teams and great OL's and still only had three years with as high of rating as Rodgers in his entire career. The Rodgers is a game manager stuff is just not true. He's doing a lot. Throwing a lot of picks doens't mean you're a better QB. Thats the only stat Rodgers isn't competing with Brett on.

If you think Passer Rating is all that matters, it shows how little you know about football. Guys like Pennington always have great ratings because they don't take any risks, etc. They never get to super bowls, though.

[RashanGary]

The Packers have the 16th ranked defense in points allowed and the 5th rated QB in QB rating, 7th in TD passes and has thrown fewer picks than just about all of the other leading passers. Oh yeah, and that QB hasn't practiced for most of the year, is 24 years old and has never started an NFL football game before the start of this season, of which he's playing probowl football.

It sounds like your metrics and logic start with an opinion that you won't let go, it gets filled in with what you want to believe and then that opinion gets distributed on this forum in a way that can't be construed as anything but garbage. LIke I said, let it go. I know your'e not this stupid in real life.

Chad Pennington always has a solid QB rating as well. To this point, Rodgers reminds me a lot of a game manager like Pennington than someone that can win you a game. He's afraid to make a mistake imo.

Stupid? Look at the stats. Since the Detroit game, Aaron has played 9 games. 5 of them have been good games, including today. Then, he had a three pick performance against Tampa in which we lost. A terrible performance against Dallas. A terrible performance against Minne and a terrible performance against Tennessee. The proof is in the pudding.

Through all of the ups and downs of the season he's still at the top of all statistical categories. The defense gets paid too. With the exception of Brady and Mannings best seasons ever, no Qb plays great every game. If we're down to that, I think it shows the shallowness in your arguement that you have to pick out the worst and use that as the whole. It shows that you are cherry picking support for an opinion you will not let go of.

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The Packers have the 16th ranked defense in points allowed and the 5th rated QB in QB rating, 7th in TD passes and has thrown fewer picks than just about all of the other leading passers. Oh yeah, and that QB hasn't practiced for most of the year, is 24 years old and has never started an NFL football game before the start of this season, of which he's playing probowl football.

It sounds like your metrics and logic start with an opinion that you won't let go, it gets filled in with what you want to believe and then that opinion gets distributed on this forum in a way that can't be construed as anything but garbage. LIke I said, let it go. I know your'e not this stupid in real life.

Chad Pennington always has a solid QB rating as well. To this point, Rodgers reminds me a lot of a game manager like Pennington than someone that can win you a game. He's afraid to make a mistake imo.

Stupid? Look at the stats. Since the Detroit game, Aaron has played 9 games. 5 of them have been good games, including today. Then, he had a three pick performance against Tampa in which we lost. A terrible performance against Dallas. A terrible performance against Minne and a terrible performance against Tennessee. The proof is in the pudding.

Through all of the ups and downs of the season he's still at the top of all statistical categories. The defense gets paid too. With the exception of Brady and Mannings best seasons ever, no Qb plays great every season. If we're don't to that, I think it shows the shallowness in your arguement that you have to pick out the worst and use that as the whole. It shows that you are cherry picking support for an opinion you will not let go of.

What the H are you talking about? Craziness. It's very clear to me that since footage has become available, teams have played A-Rod significantly differently than they did against Dallas last year, Minne to open the year, and how Detroit did to start the year. Since then, teams have been more aggressive in pressuring him, and as a result we've seen his numbers decrease.

So far he's been far more of Chad Pennington managing a game, afraid to take any risks, etc than Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Brett Favre/Tony Romo/Drew Brees/etc, who he is PAID to play like.

[Freak Out]

Talk about some thread jackage.

[RashanGary]

And Brett doesn't deserve to be drug down in all of this, but for as much as you idolize him he's only won one SB in his 17 year career (6% success rate) and that year he had the #1 defense and #1 ST's. Hardly a guy who went out there and won it by himself or even mostly by himself.

Really, the standard you hold Rodgers to isn't fair for any QB. Favre himself doesn't live up to the hype and that's no knock on Favre. It's just the hero worship has gotten so distorted that we're not even debating facts any more. We're debating an inflated legend that is firmly entrenched in the minds of many Favre fans. It's jsut not reality.

[Joemailman]

No question the Packers have been less successful at turning promising drives into touchdowns this year. Some of that can be hung on Arod, some on the inconsistent running game, some on the penalties on the offensive line. Hopefully, we'll be able to look back at this game as a turning point.

To return to the original point of this thread (sort of), the fact that the turning point could come against the Bears would make it all the better.

[RashanGary]

Again, Favre doesn't deserve to be drug down in all of this. The NFL is a uber tough league and he had a GREAT career. But for the sake of this crazy debate, I have to give some perspective.

For all of Favre's failure (94% SB chapion failure), it was always the rest of the team. The one time he won, he had the #1 defense and #1 ST units yet he raised them up. The other years he raised them up, but the rest of the team was so bad, even super man couldn't have done anything. NOw that Rodgers is doing well, it's because his surrounding cast is so great even though he has the #16 defense and a very inconsistent running game. Favre, although he was only on one SB winning team, would be leading this one to the promise land. Why? Because if he were here they'd be the #1 defnese and #1 ST's becuase he raised them up.

I know you're not a retard Partial. Somtimes I think you're joking but I met you in person and you seemed pretty convicted, even in those short conversations, in your beliefs. There is no wonder we, as people, are prone to following insane leaders and doing horrific things throughout history. In the right environment, with the right leader most people can believe/follow anything. It's truely baffling.

[RashanGary]

And for the record, I think Favre was every bit good enough to win the SB with the Packers last year and is every bit good enough to win the SB with the Jets this year. He's more than good enough. He's a great player.

However, I believe the defense last year was not good enough (post JOlly/KGB injury) and the OL/Running game was not good enough. It's team games and team wins IMO.

I think the same thing this year. I think Favre is better than Rodgers. I think he does some sublte things to help the offense like not screw up his cadence when he's confused (causing false starts) or set protections or recognize exotic blitzes and beat them. Favre is a hell of a savvy player at this point in his career and can still chuck the ball as hard as all but a few NFL QB's.

That said, Rodgers is doing more than managing the game. He's playing really good football. NOt too many QB's are playing up to his level. He's a quick learner and seems to be developing savvy quickly. When we get into these conversations, Rodgers gets unfairly compared to a fairytale legend that has been exaggerated through the years and then FAvre gets torched by the same fairy tale. It's just skewed beyond reason at this point. It's to the point that some Packer fans that love Favre cannot give Rodgers credit for his probowl level season.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Re: What's better than beating the Bears?

Blowing 'em out at Lambeau!!

Phenomenal (and much needed) win!

I'd say having sex while watching the Packers beat the Bears.

[Joemailman]

Gives a touchdown a completely different meaning.

[denverYooper]

I was thinking chocolate and peanut butter, but that's pretty much the same thing.

[boiga]

Re: What's better than beating the Bears?

Blowing 'em out at Lambeau!!

Phenomenal (and much needed) win!

I'd say having sex while watching the Packers beat the Bears.

Eek.... Urlacher and Ortonstache would make that combo go sour fast.