The Official Packers v. saints Gameday Thread

[Partial]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

[arcilite]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

What happened to you and the 'I'd rather have 2 picks and 2 TDs than no picks and no TDs'

[MateoInMex]

The season was lost in the 2nd vikling game.

Now the Packers just don't care.

Nominated for stupid post of the week.

Hey doofus, they are 1 game out of 1st place now.

I don't think the first sentence in California's post was stupid at all. There is merit to it...every game is important obviously...but losing in the Metrodome could end up being the pivotal game of the season. Yes, mathematically they're 1 game out of 1st and that's why a team plays the whole season. Good news is they'll be back at home vs. Carolina..but the Packers have lost their last 3 games on the road. And to make the playoffs, they're going to have to win the NFC NORTH

Losing at the Metrodome with an offensive line MIA and missing a makeable field goal is not how a team can get an edge on clinching a division. They're a game out...yes but they're also 5-6 and would more than likely have to run the table.

[MJZiggy]

I disagree with you Patler. He couldn't capitalize against a weak secondary with minimal pass rush, and was chucking the ball to the defense left and right. Everyone would be at Favre's throat for the 3 INTs in the second half, and rightfully so. That is unacceptable. A-Rods second half stat line is 12-24 (50% sucks), 3 INT (sucks), 1 TD (against prevent... awesome!).

The defense takes some blame, sure, but Aaron had the chance to keep pace, and instead couldn't move the ball down the field, and handed NO the win on a silver platter with the INT that they returned to the 3ish.

Some blame? The defense deserves about 80% of the blame. Rodgers could have certainly played better, but the Packers were down ten before he threw his first pick.

After their 3 and out on the first drive of the game the Saints scored 5 straight times. You can't expect your QB to have to score TD's every drive just to hold serve.

I was disappointed in the throw to Jennings. Rodgers had plenty of time and it looked like he read the coverage wrong. David had a great jump on the ball. What if Jennings hadn't slipped though? You're probably looking at an incomplete pass and an offense that could still mix run with pass.

Once the pick happened and Deuce scored, everything changed. The Packers were down 17 and the Saints knew Rodgers would be passing every down. Completely different game after that as the Saints were able to focus solely on rushing the passer. I'd say Nelson let Rodger down on the second INT. He needs to learn to run through the route, as I remember him doing the same thing in another game this year.

I agree with you on some, and others I don't. 10 points is a manageable deficit. When Rodgers made his crucial error, he put them in an unmanageable three score game, versus a very manageable two score game.

The picks kept the defense on the field and gassed.

The D played bad no doubt. They get some blame. Equal blame imo to Rodgers.

What happened to you and the 'I'd rather have 2 picks and 2 TDs than no picks and no TDs'

P, your Rodgers hate has gone a little overboard here. The Packers TEAM (remember that concept?) put 29 points on the board. Twice Will Blackmon made a TD saving tackle deep in Packer territory. The D were not stopping the Saints offense before the picks and were very consistent through the game. Couldn't stop 'em before the picks and couldn't stop 'em after. It made no difference. As a matter of fact, the announcers mentioned late in the first half that the Saints would strike quick with big plays and the Packers would methodically drive down the field. According to what they were saying the Packers D should have gotten nicely rested between drives and the Saints D should have been gassed. There is a lot of blame to go around in this loss, but to lay a full half of the blame on Rodgers is way overboard. Then how much blame does Nelson get for not finishing his route? 25%?

[Partial]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

[Patler]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

[Fritz]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

Sounds like Partial was getting skitterish.

[arcilite]

I don't hate Rodgers. I actually thought this was one of his better games. He was far less skittish than he has been in weeks past, and I felt he held onto the ball just the right amount of time on numerous occasions.

The interceptions were bad throws. That can be fixed. The things I look for are the pocket presence, etc, the things you don't really learn in the class room.

He's progressed, regressed, then progressed again. He's very inconsistent. Note that I have said numerous times he has the skills to be very good. He has a very strong arm and is accurate on the deep ball.

Rodgers has not been "skitterish" in the pocket much at all, in any of the games. You made that claim regarding his performance in the MN game, which in my opinion was ridiculous because he stood in the pocket and was crushed many times after getting throws off. Sure, he has left the pocket to run early a few times, but there was running room available on those plays and his running plays have been mostly successful.

Of his three interceptions Monday, the first was the only bad throw. The second very likely would have been a completion if Nelson had finished his route, he was in front of the defender and should have been able to shield him from the ball. The ball was thrown low, where Nelson should have been the only one who could have caught it. It was actually a pretty good throw for that route. The third interception was on a 4th and 16 play and happened after Rodgers extended the play again and again by moving away from would be tacklers. He looked, and looked and looked. With no one apparently open he finally threw it into the end zone to give someone a chance to make a play. What else was he to do in that situation? I have seen nothing from any writer, broadcaster or anyone suggesting that he missed spotting an open receiver on that play. I thought Rodgers did a good job extending the play as long as he did. Taking the sack or throwing it away were not options on fourth down. Putting it up to give a receiver an opportunity was a good decision.

Sounds like Partial was getting skitterish.

But Partial watches game film. How can that be?