Fire TT

[RashanGary]

I'll be right on board, possibly leading the charge if we have:

Pettway, Hunter, Montgomery, Cole and Harrell in his current shitty fucking state on our defensive line next year. Cole is barely average so maybe he sticks, but the first three listed have to be gone and if Harrell doesn't turn it on by the start of next season he needs to be gone too.

This team cannot pretend to want to win with these players at the most important positions on a football team.

The defensive line is truely pathetic. TT was given a decent DL. That is the big reason we won games early last year. He has no excuse if this keeps on. Much of the team was pure horse shit when he came in, but the DL was growing into somethign pretty good. He cannot continue to demoslish the most important part of the team without replenishing it in a big way.

[dissident94]

His insane love of being young and getting a million draft picks is taking us no where.

Corey Williams wasn't great but he would look good right now with that franchise tag. We had the money. But his love of picks is getting ridiculous.
You cannot always be young. At some point you need to grow up. Even though we are young we are getting old in key areas with no replacements. like CB and tackle

[BallHawk]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

I'm not going to pardon Ted here, our DL is crap, but it's not like he dismantled it through FA or cuts or anything like that. The passage of time and injuries have lead us to where we are now and hopefully over time some picks will develop.

[Bretsky]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

I'm not going to pardon Ted here, our DL is crap, but it's not like he dismantled it through FA or cuts or anything like that. The passage of time and injuries have lead us to where we are now and hopefully over time some picks will develop.

Jenkins- No

Is it his fault for replacing Williams with the Yahoo's in there now ? Yes

No need to even bring up the idea that TT thought Harrell could give us what Williams did............if he even did

KGB getting old ? Well, when somebody gets old you get the troops ready behind him. They are not there.

I'm not remotely near a fire TT area

My expectations were not all that high; the people that thought this team could be close to as good as last year's team are probably more disappointed.

[RashanGary]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

I'm not going to pardon Ted here, our DL is crap, but it's not like he dismantled it through FA or cuts or anything like that. The passage of time and injuries have lead us to where we are now and hopefully over time some picks will develop.

Right. I'm not there yet, but if we go into next year with these guys, there is no excuse.

[dissident94]

So we didn't have money for Williams. Of course we did. We all knew KGB was old a few years ago.

[Bossman641]

The DE's on this team are especially bad. I'm not sure we got anything from the RDE spot all night. Thompson looks like he could be decent with some lifting and coaching. Pettway and Hunter are more special teams players then linemen. It's becoming fairly obvious that the Mike Montgomery experiment needs to end. He had that big game a few weeks back but other then that he hasn't been heard from at all.

[Partial]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

No, but he has access to these players on a daily basis, and should be prepared for the inevitable. Clearly Jenkins is injury prone as he cannot seem to stay healthy. He saw KGB every day in practice. He had talks with Williams, and had the opportunity to keep him around for this year.

It's naive to think all of these things are beyond his control. He knows whats going on, and has to be prepared.

[Patler]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

No, but he has access to these players on a daily basis, and should be prepared for the inevitable. Clearly Jenkins is injury prone as he cannot seem to stay healthy. He saw KGB every day in practice. He had talks with Williams, and had the opportunity to keep him around for this year.

It's naive to think all of these things are beyond his control. He knows whats going on, and has to be prepared.

Yes, the D-line is not playing very well. But it was a real strength of the team last year, the same players (minus one) were returning for this year. Shouldn't thsi have been less of a concern to TT than maybe some other positions. Even with that, TT traded up to get a DE.

There are many, many factors contributing to their poor play on the D-line. In order of importance I would put them as follows:

Loosing Jenkins was the biggest.
KGB falling off the cliff (caused by surgeries) after a bounce-back season in '07
Pickett having a down year.
Jolly regressing, perhaps distracted by legal problems.
Harrell sustaining an off-season injury.
Kampman not playing at a pro-bowl level, even against the run
The proliferation of injuries at DE. Think about it. Pettaway is their 6th RDE.

That is an awful lot to have happen to one position group. Pretty hard to plan for all of that.

[cpk1994]

So it's his fault Cullen got hurt, KGB got old, and Corey Williams wanted a ridiculous amount of money?

No, but he has access to these players on a daily basis, and should be prepared for the inevitable. Clearly Jenkins is injury prone as he cannot seem to stay healthy. He saw KGB every day in practice. He had talks with Williams, and had the opportunity to keep him around for this year.

It's naive to think all of these things are beyond his control. He knows whats going on, and has to be prepared.

Yes, the D-line is not playing very well. But it was a real strength of the team last year, the same players (minus one) were returning for this year. Shouldn't thsi have been less of a concern to TT than maybe some other positions. Even with that, TT traded up to get a DE.

There are many, many factors contributing to their poor play on the D-line. In order of importance I would put them as follows:

Loosing Jenkins was the biggest.
KGB falling off the cliff (caused by surgeries) after a bounce-back season in '07
Pickett having a down year.
Jolly regressing, perhaps distracted by legal problems.
Harrell sustaining an off-season injury.
Kampman not playing at a pro-bowl level, even against the run
The proliferation of injuries at DE. Think about it. Pettaway is their 6th RDE.

That is an awful lot to have happen to one position group. Pretty hard to plan for all of that.

I agree. If you want to fire someone, fire Stock and Sanders for gross incompetence.

[RashanGary]

Great, so he didn't see it coming. When I gave my prediction on the season, I said 9-7 because the DL is too thin to repeat. I'm definitly not trying to say I know more than TT but I think it was obvious that we lacked depth on the DL. If he truely didn't see ti coming, I guess there is reason to believe everythign would have went right, but now he should know. If this DL doesn't turn over (and quickly) he needs to be canned. These players do not belong on a roster.

[Fritz]

The lead JSO article focuses on the secondary and how awful it was, but the defensive line made it all possible. What a pathetic performance by that group.

This is not a very good defense. I'm very, very disappointed in this defense.

[RashanGary]

So many of the problems on this team were not TT's fault. The OL with zero depth, bad cap problems and expiring contracts was a disaster created by Mike Sherman.

The linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, running backs and full backs were all disasters created by Sherman.


HOWEVER. When TT came in, he was handed young players on the DL such as Kampman, Cullen Jenkins and Corey Williams along with a vet that was still putting up big sack numbers in KGB. It was not unmanagable and it's now getting worse. This group has to turn around and you can't go into a year crossing yoru fingers that none of your lineman will get injured. That is a position tha tyou need to plan on having one injury at all times during the season. We have a ton of depth all over the team except where it matters most. We need more players, quickly.

[pbmax]

I have been concerned about the pass rush since before Williams was let go. Clearly we underestimated what the remaining players could give us there. And they probably overestimated Kampman.

But Patler is correct, no segment having used 13 players on a 4 person unit is going to perform above expectations. The D line did their secondary no favors. Kampman got the only heat all night and that was 5 times in my quickly formulated estimation.

The disappointing part is the combination of being short of players and short of fundamentals (esp against running game). I understand if McCarthy refuses to use the injuries or roster construction as excuses publicly, but he does seem honest when he says players are not executing the correct technique. And that comes down to coaching; and none of the coaches are injured.

[Bretsky]

So many of the problems on this team were not TT's fault. The OL with zero depth, bad cap problems and expiring contracts was a disaster created by Mike Sherman.

The linebackers, cornerbacks, safeties, running backs and full backs were all disasters created by Sherman.


HOWEVER. When TT came in, he was handed young players on the DL such as Kampman, Cullen Jenkins and Corey Williams along with a vet that was still putting up big sack numbers in KGB. It was not unmanagable and it's now getting worse. This group has to turn around and you can't go into a year crossing yoru fingers that none of your lineman will get injured. That is a position tha tyou need to plan on having one injury at all times during the season. We have a ton of depth all over the team except where it matters most. We need more players, quickly.

I still remain in the middle on TT; you seem to be moving closer to my view for a change