Fire TT

[ThunderDan]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

Are you joking?!!?

You expect our offense to score 52 points a week!

Put the blame where it is due. Solidly on the D!

You are talking about last week I am talking about the whole season yes Brees torched them because he is the only stud QB they have faced this year but look at how many defensive TD's they have scored this year. When the game is on the line how often has the Offense came through, better yet when faced with any kind of pass rush how many times has the Offense came through? Even better queation when the franchises future is on the line when has TT came through and drafted the O-lineman or D-lineman to save the team?

TT has drafted:
Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Moll, Barbre, Harrell, Montgomery, Jolly and Thompson and those are only the guys that made the team.

He also brought in Pickett, Klemm and some other Gs that have been dumped.

He also got the Packers Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Grant, Collins, Crosby, Hawk, Chillar, Poopinga, Jennings, Martin, James Jones and Nelson just to name a few.

We only have 9 players left from Mike Sherman or before. Do you realize the Packers have 3 Sherman draft picks on the roster. This should be the core veterans that have been around for 5 -8 years. We have Barnett and Kampman.

[Bretsky]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

Are you joking?!!?

You expect our offense to score 52 points a week!

Put the blame where it is due. Solidly on the D!

You are talking about last week I am talking about the whole season yes Brees torched them because he is the only stud QB they have faced this year but look at how many defensive TD's they have scored this year. When the game is on the line how often has the Offense came through, better yet when faced with any kind of pass rush how many times has the Offense came through? Even better queation when the franchises future is on the line when has TT came through and drafted the O-lineman or D-lineman to save the team?

TT has drafted:
Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Moll, Barbre, Harrell, Montgomery, Jolly and Thompson and those are only the guys that made the team.

He also brought in Pickett, Klemm and some other Gs that have been dumped.

He also got the Packers Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Grant, Collins, Crosby, Hawk, Chillar, Poopinga, Jennings, Martin, James Jones and Nelson just to name a few.

We only have 9 players left from Mike Sherman or before. Do you realize the Packers have 3 Sherman draft picks on the roster. This should be the core veterans that have been around for 5 -8 years. We have Barnett and Kampman.

JH is right in that TT has not done our DL too much good. Impacts are the loss of Corey Williams and one free agent signing in Pickett.

[ThunderDan]

Saying TT has done nothing is incorrect. He may not have been effective but he has tried. Maybe it is the scheme we run. It seems more important to hold your assigned gap than pressure the QB and backfield.

[wist43]

I've said this before, I don't think TT should be fired... that said, I don't think his current MO will corral us another Lombardi Trophy.

TT is a very good talent evaluator IMO, but he also has some philosophical quirks that seem to keep him mired in perpetual restocking mode - as I and other critics have been saying for some time now, at some point you have to "win now".

TT with his never ending parade of 23 player drafts... to what end??? At some point he's just pushing last years 4th round pick off the roster with this years 4th round pick. Lots of mid level players, but no difference makers.

And don't even get me started on the schemes.

[rbaloha1]

Why is this even a thread?

TT cleaned up a mess created by TAMU's head coach Mike Sherman (anybody watch the game and witness MS acting like a maniac?).

TT has positioned this team for super bowl runs. The division is still winnable. TT is not the coach. TT is not too blame for injuries.

TT builds a winning roster. Its up to the coaches to coach players to win.

[prsnfoto]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

Are you joking?!!?

You expect our offense to score 52 points a week!

Put the blame where it is due. Solidly on the D!

You are talking about last week I am talking about the whole season yes Brees torched them because he is the only stud QB they have faced this year but look at how many defensive TD's they have scored this year. When the game is on the line how often has the Offense came through, better yet when faced with any kind of pass rush how many times has the Offense came through? Even better queation when the franchises future is on the line when has TT came through and drafted the O-lineman or D-lineman to save the team?

TT has drafted:
Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Moll, Barbre, Harrell, Montgomery, Jolly and Thompson and those are only the guys that made the team.

He also brought in Pickett, Klemm and some other Gs that have been dumped.

He also got the Packers Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Grant, Collins, Crosby, Hawk, Chillar, Poopinga, Jennings, Martin, James Jones and Nelson just to name a few.

We only have 9 players left from Mike Sherman or before. Do you realize the Packers have 3 Sherman draft picks on the roster. This should be the core veterans that have been around for 5 -8 years. We have Barnett and Kampman.

I never said he didn't try I asked when he has come through so far all we know is he can draft WR's and probably found a servicable QB I give him credit for that and comparing him to Sherman doesn't say much. The O-line is no better than it was 3 years ago and had he not signed Pickett he has destroyed the D-line with his stupid choices. Woodson is a stud and Collins looks to have turned the corner, but other than Jennings every other guy you listed above is just a guy and could easily be replaced with another body.

[ThunderDan]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

Are you joking?!!?

You expect our offense to score 52 points a week!

Put the blame where it is due. Solidly on the D!

You are talking about last week I am talking about the whole season yes Brees torched them because he is the only stud QB they have faced this year but look at how many defensive TD's they have scored this year. When the game is on the line how often has the Offense came through, better yet when faced with any kind of pass rush how many times has the Offense came through? Even better queation when the franchises future is on the line when has TT came through and drafted the O-lineman or D-lineman to save the team?

TT has drafted:
Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Giacomini, Moll, Barbre, Harrell, Montgomery, Jolly and Thompson and those are only the guys that made the team.

He also brought in Pickett, Klemm and some other Gs that have been dumped.

He also got the Packers Rodgers, Charles Woodson, Grant, Collins, Crosby, Hawk, Chillar, Poopinga, Jennings, Martin, James Jones and Nelson just to name a few.

We only have 9 players left from Mike Sherman or before. Do you realize the Packers have 3 Sherman draft picks on the roster. This should be the core veterans that have been around for 5 -8 years. We have Barnett and Kampman.

I never said he didn't try I asked when he has come through so far all we know is he can draft WR's and probably found a servicable QB I give him credit for that and comparing him to Sherman doesn't say much. The O-line is no better than it was 3 years ago and had he not signed Pickett he has destroyed the D-line with his stupid choices. Woodson is a stud and Collins looks to have turned the corner, but other than Jennings every other guy you listed above is just a guy and could easily be replaced with another body.

Are you really that ignorant?

How many stud players are in the league? Maybe 10-20? So any team that has more than 1 is lucky and with FA now days it is hard to hold on to more than one and not break the bank. How many 6 year $60,000,000 contracts, with $31 M guaranteed, can one team sign?

Expecting to find stud after stud at every position is a joke.

[ThunderDan]

When other teams start picking up our cast-a-ways, like is now starting to happen, it shows how good your "only a guy" guys are.

[digitaldean]

If we're going to pick on the defense, let's look at the LB's too. They all were exposed in the last game.

Even before going on IR, Barnett wasn't having as good a year as 2007. Hawk, when he came back and filled in sucked even more at coverage. Poppinga has proven he can control his overpersuing ways. The only bright spot was Chillar, and even he stunk on Mon. night.

I do fault TT for not trying to put more into FA. I have said previously as well. Yes, there are a lot of Joe Johnsons out there, but look at the Jets in FA. Faneca and Woody have helped anchor that line. Plus having a C like Mangold doesn't hurt either. Plus they get Jenkins (formerly of Carolina) on the D-Line and their D-line play has improved markedly.

Stock's infatuation with Frost should at the very least have him in hot water. Frost's punting makes me wish for Bidwell to be back here punting.

[bobblehead]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

I'm gonna assume you are joking or else you might hate me forever if I were to give my opinion.

Let me just ask you...the part where rodgers and the offense had a 2:1 time of possession advantage and put up 21 in the first half....that was their fault they were down by 3 cuz why again??

[Tarlam!]

It's funny how fickle we fans are. Nobody was calling for TT's head after 13-3.

This roller coaster season was to be expected. A-Rod is still getting his feet wet. In 2 dome games, he's been remarkably Favre-like, who also didn't do well in domes his early years.

Exactly, how is that TT's fault?

The last thing the Packers need now is panic. Calling for anyone's head is akin to a panic reaction, IMHO. I'm not saying we should have the team run like the Lions. I'm just suggesting we let them implement the plan they obviously have.

As for last Monday, I think we went in there with over confidence. All week, the interviews were cocky. If I am NO, I just want to stuff it to the Packers.

All of this is clearly TT's doing.

[cpk1994]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

I'm gonna assume you are joking or else you might hate me forever if I were to give my opinion.

Let me just ask you...the part where rodgers and the offense had a 2:1 time of possession advantage and put up 21 in the first half....that was their fault they were down by 3 cuz why again??

He's not joking sadly. There are those, him included, that are so pissed of at TT for FAvre not being here that they will blame the offfense and Rodgers for everything to justufy their hate even when the blame isn't there. That said you make a great point and all of those that blame the O or Rodgers for the NO loss need to come back to your post.

[pack4to84]

I think many of us are frustrated with the defensive coaching. The defensive scheme itself seems to encourage a kind of passivity by the defensive line. They're supposed to hold gaps, right? I like the idea of encouraging them to go get the damn football.

Schemes don't necessarily win games, not alone, but it's difficult as a fan to watch Vanilla Bob rush three men against Brees on 3rd and 15. The way that dude was seeing the field, that was like giving him the first down.

Guess I'd like to see a more aggressive defensive scheme.

You are not going to see that in GB they don't spend any money on stud linemen all ya got is Kampman and he was probably found by accident. The secondary has keep us in and won some games this year, the D has been a little dinged up where does the real problem lie>>>>>>>> The Offense they have been relatively healthy they are not scoring enough points and as bad as the d played if Rodgers doesn't throw three YEE HAW'S they were keeping pace. The D has it's problems but the O has failed to perform against teams that mount any kind of pressure whatsoever, bottomline they are soft and play less physical teams well like the Bears they ain't nothing like they used to be.

Last year the D allowed 291 points in 16 games that is a 18.18 per game
This year the D allowed 260 points in 11 games that is a 23.64 per game.

Last year the O scored 435 points in 16 games that is a 27.19 per game.
This year the O scored 303 points in 11 games that is a 27.55 per game.

The D has had some good games but still can't stop a team when they need to the most. Vikings game Packers up 6 couldn't stop them on there last drive. Titan game tied in overtime couldn't stop them on there last drive. Saints game did they stop them not once when it mattered.

[Bretsky]

It's funny how fickle we fans are. Nobody was calling for TT's head after 13-3.

This roller coaster season was to be expected. A-Rod is still getting his feet wet. In 2 dome games, he's been remarkably Favre-like, who also didn't do well in domes his early years.

Exactly, how is that TT's fault?

The last thing the Packers need now is panic. Calling for anyone's head is akin to a panic reaction, IMHO. I'm not saying we should have the team run like the Lions. I'm just suggesting we let them implement the plan they obviously have.

As for last Monday, I think we went in there with over confidence. All week, the interviews were cocky. If I am NO, I just want to stuff it to the Packers.

All of this is clearly TT's doing.

On the other hand after 13-3 many thought TT was the greatest thing since sliced bread; now things are coming down to reality. He's done a decent job; he gets the glory of 13-3 but also some of the blame blame when things don't go as well as they could and they fall back from near to the top to very average.. I have a hard time defending those who criticize TT for the personnell on the DL at this point.....although I hope some of his youngies develop as TT must think they will.

[bobblehead]

I think its time to dig up the Harrell Draft threads. I want to see who was harping about what an idiot TT was for drafting a DL in the first round cuz that was clearly our deepest position.

You all howl about him not taking chances, but he drafted a hugely talented guy in the #16 spot despite injury issues. He took a shot at getting a big time talent at 16 instead of taking a safer pick....now all those same people are blasting him because he should be able to magically tell which players get past injury issues and which ones don't.