Rodgers Is Carrying This Team

[dissident94]

The easy answer to how you can carry a 5-7 team is when it would be 2-10 without you

But while Chevelle might be stirring, it bears mentioning that the offense is finally doing what we wanted it to do since the beginning of the season. Finish drives and take time off the clock. Whether its Rodgers or Favre, is almost immaterial, the O has stepped up.

If we had last year's D playing for this team, we wouldn't be talking about Rodgers carrying it nor would we be worried about making the playoffs.

True. Rodgers is playing good enough to win.

[sheepshead]

This situation that Rodgers is in illustrates the burden that any young quarterback faces when he replaces a legendary quarterback. He is continually compared to his predecessor, sometimes for good, usually for bad.

IMO, Rodgers is doing very well as a first year starter. Has he made mistakes? Absolutely he has! Overall, he is meeting and/or exceeding expectations.

I agree with this and would take it one step further: Has he lost us a game this year?

How many games did Brett loose last year (arguably of course). Many blame him for the last one. Point is, we have a franchise quarterback once again and very few teams can say that.

[dissident94]

I would say Tampa he may have lost. A couple other games he played well but just couldn't finish.

Rodgers is playing well. He has looked really good for a first year QB.

But you shouldn't make up numbers to show he is better than Favre or Favre from last year. Favre has almost better numbers in every category last year besides ints and rushing tds. Thats the only point I was making in this post.

[Deputy Nutz]

How many games has Rodgers won us this year? He should have won us the game last afternoon, but his team and coach cost the Packers the victory, although he did cough up the ball with 90 seconds left with two timeouts.

Anyways, this season isn't about Rodger Vs Favre like I thought it would be. Rodgers has done everything expect and actually more. Without Favre as a whole identity for this franchise, this team has reverted back to what it is, and average football team in the NFL. This goes on the shoulders of Thompson and McCarthy, and that goes with throwing the whole Favre argument out the window. Sure I would rather have the ball in Favre's hands with the game in the balance, then maybe McCarthy doesn't run a fullback dive on 3rd and goal, but who really knows. The defensive line is shit, the offensive line played well the last couple of weeks, but over all they have performed less than average, even though guys like Colledge and Spitz have finally started playing well.

McCarthy certainly isn't a 13-3 coach at this point, to me I think he is closer to that 8-8 coach of 2006 at the moment.

[sharpe1027]

Without Favre as a whole identity for this franchise, this team has reverted back to what it is, and average football team in the NFL. This goes on the shoulders of Thompson and McCarthy, and that goes with throwing the whole Favre argument out the window.

Loosing the whole identity of the franchise? Maybe if you were born in 1992.

The difference between this year and last year begins and ends with the defense and the special teams. I don't buy your argument that Favre's presence caused the entire defense and special teams to play better. That Favre worked magic by raising an average football team to greatness by improving their defense and special teams using as series of ass snaps with a towel in the locker room and by making fart jokes.

[dissident94]

Without Favre as a whole identity for this franchise, this team has reverted back to what it is, and average football team in the NFL. This goes on the shoulders of Thompson and McCarthy, and that goes with throwing the whole Favre argument out the window.

Loosing the whole identity of the franchise? Maybe if you were born in 1992.

The difference between this year and last year begins and ends with the defense and the special teams. I don't buy your argument that Favre's presence caused the entire defense and special teams to play better. That Favre worked magic by raising an average football team to greatness by improving their defense and special teams using as series of ass snaps with a towel in the locker room and by making fart jokes.

Then you don't understand sports. A couple special players can turn around a franchise, especially QB. He is not the only reason we won for 16 years, but he is the main one. Just like Jordan wasn't the only reason Chicago won but he is the main one.

Look at teams like

Denver
Miami
San fran even after Young

All teams that couldn't replace their QB and havne't been the same since.

Great players make players around them look better. It happens in all sports and at all levels.

[LL2]

Rodgers is doing very well for a first year starter. So is Matt Ryan and a few other first year starters. I agree Rodgers isn’t the reason they are 5-7. For many folks though they will not give Rodgers a break until he wins a SB.

[bobblehead]

Without Favre as a whole identity for this franchise, this team has reverted back to what it is, and average football team in the NFL. This goes on the shoulders of Thompson and McCarthy, and that goes with throwing the whole Favre argument out the window.

Loosing the whole identity of the franchise? Maybe if you were born in 1992.

The difference between this year and last year begins and ends with the defense and the special teams. I don't buy your argument that Favre's presence caused the entire defense and special teams to play better. That Favre worked magic by raising an average football team to greatness by improving their defense and special teams using as series of ass snaps with a towel in the locker room and by making fart jokes.

Then you don't understand sports. A couple special players can turn around a franchise, especially QB. He is not the only reason we won for 16 years, but he is the main one. Just like Jordan wasn't the only reason Chicago won but he is the main one.

Look at teams like

Denver
Miami
San fran even after Young

All teams that couldn't replace their QB and havne't been the same since.

Great players make players around them look better. It happens in all sports and at all levels.

So the year we were 4-12 with Favre...what happened there? Look, BF was/is great. He can make average recievers look better. He might even make an average line look a bit better. But if you are seriously arguing that he made Kampman or Woodson better you gotta be fricking kidding me. The guys on our D are professionals, Woodson would not have recovered from the push off if BF were our QB. Crosby would not have split the uprights for ole bretsky. I think this whole thread is a fucking waste of time on both sides, but christ when you try and tell me brett would have willed the defense to slow down Brees I just want to start flaming.

[Partial]

Well, the proof is in the pudding. Numerous players in their time in GB, and now numerous Jets have said that with BF around they want to play better and harder. They don't want to let the man down.

We haven't heard anything of the sort since he left. In fact, its quite apparent watching the team that the effort just isn't their. Gone are last years gang tackles, high fives, and desire to be the best.

So, you tell me. Did everyone fall off over night? Or did they stop playing as hard?

Now, for the subject at hand, that is a load of bull that Aaron is carrying the team. Yesterday he did, I will agree, but that was the first and only time this year. He has been middle of the road at best the rest of the year. I really don't care how many touchdowns he has, because that is a biproduct of teams not respecting our goal line running game.

So far, he has had 6 good games, and we've won 5 of them. He's had 5 games where I felt the loss fell on his shoulders, and then there were two where he was not really a factor either way.

Currently we are dead last in the NFL in 3rd down and long situations. Consequently, this is what we're in most of the time due to the defense bringing up 8 guys since they don't respect A-Rod. Is this carrying a team on your shoulders? You tell me.

Yesterday was the first time Rodgers used all his weapons effectively and used the middle of the field. Whether this is a biproduct of MM opening up the offense, or Rodgers finally feeling comfortable, I know not. If he continues to play like yesterday, then yes, he will be capable of carrying a team on his shoulders.

[dissident94]

Rodgers is doing very well for a first year starter. So is Matt Ryan and a few other first year starters. I agree Rodgers isn’t the reason they are 5-7. For many folks though they will not give Rodgers a break until he wins a SB.

This isn't about Rodgers. He is playing really well. This is about people who try to discredit what Favre meant to this franchise. And to make up crap saying Rodgers is playing better than Favre did last year.

I root for Rodgers. Do I think we would have more wins with Brett, yes. But that doesn't matter.

[pbmax]

Well, the proof is in the pudding. Numerous players in their time in GB, and now numerous Jets have said that with BF around they want to play better and harder. They don't want to let the man down.

We haven't heard anything of the sort since he left. In fact, its quite apparent watching the team that the effort just isn't their. Gone are last years gang tackles, high fives, and desire to be the best.

So, you tell me. Did everyone fall off over night? Or did they stop playing as hard?

Have you added mind reader to your list of abilities? Desire to be the best is gone? Really?

How about, at 5-7, its hard to be as confident as you were when you were 10-2 last year?

Any mope can say they don't want to let the old man down. Its easy player-press babble. Like announcers telling us how much fun Favre is having out there. Mindless and meaningless.

And you might have missed it, but his O Line seem to have been pretty impressed by Rodgers all year, with quotes about his toughness and play starting around the time of the shoulder injury. Tauscher had another quote like that this week.

[dissident94]

Without Favre as a whole identity for this franchise, this team has reverted back to what it is, and average football team in the NFL. This goes on the shoulders of Thompson and McCarthy, and that goes with throwing the whole Favre argument out the window.

Loosing the whole identity of the franchise? Maybe if you were born in 1992.

The difference between this year and last year begins and ends with the defense and the special teams. I don't buy your argument that Favre's presence caused the entire defense and special teams to play better. That Favre worked magic by raising an average football team to greatness by improving their defense and special teams using as series of ass snaps with a towel in the locker room and by making fart jokes.

Then you don't understand sports. A couple special players can turn around a franchise, especially QB. He is not the only reason we won for 16 years, but he is the main one. Just like Jordan wasn't the only reason Chicago won but he is the main one.

Look at teams like

Denver
Miami
San fran even after Young

All teams that couldn't replace their QB and havne't been the same since.

Great players make players around them look better. It happens in all sports and at all levels.

So the year we were 4-12 with Favre...what happened there? Look, BF was/is great. He can make average recievers look better. He might even make an average line look a bit better. But if you are seriously arguing that he made Kampman or Woodson better you gotta be fricking kidding me. The guys on our D are professionals, Woodson would not have recovered from the push off if BF were our QB. Crosby would not have split the uprights for ole bretsky. I think this whole thread is a fucking waste of time on both sides, but christ when you try and tell me brett would have willed the defense to slow down Brees I just want to start flaming.

Well one year at 4-12 doesn't take away the other 14-15 years of winning. This isn't about all that.

Someone claims Rodgers is carrying the team and putting up historical numbers and he isn't.

I would say Rodgers is one of the lone bright spots. But lets not annoint the guy until he actually wins us a few games. He shows great skill. But hasn't shown the ability to lift his team.

[pbmax]

Currently we are dead last in the NFL in 3rd down and long situations. Consequently, this is what we're in most of the time due to the defense bringing up 8 guys since they don't respect A-Rod. Is this carrying a team on your shoulders? You tell me.

Now you have a point here. The Packers, especially early this season, seemed unable to recover from their own mistakes on offense. One holding penalty, 1st and 20 and you could just feel the punt coming. And Rodgers does not make something out of nothing like Favre can. In fact, when its late and he rolls right, I am hoping he throws it out of bounds.

But Rodgers yards per attempt is still pretty high. I think this is partly the first year starter, but also the coach. McCarthy's constant refrain is putting yourself in better yardage/down situations and winning field position. He is playing the odds. His system and Rodgers exposure so far leaves them with a shortage of viable experience in third and long. Rodgers will learn. I hope McCarthy gives him the freedom (or Rodgers just takes it) to forget the checkdown in some of these situations.

And there are few games where teams stuck eight in a box against us. They are playing pass first, esp in longer yardages. They fear the passing game more than our running game.

[pbmax]

I really don't care how many touchdowns he has, because that is a biproduct of teams not respecting our goal line running game.

What is the inverse of logical?

If teams have no respect for our goal to go running game, it stands to reason they are defending the pass. More credit to Rodgers for his TDs. You should care more.

And if your assertion was actually true, then we would be having better than expected success running for TDs. That does not seem to be happening.

[MadtownPacker]

Of course chevelle is trying to stir up shit with this thread. If not he would have just said ARod is carrying this team and not even brought up Favre. No surprise since he really dont give a damn about this forum.

As for the topic, which actually is a good one, I have to say that on offense Rodgers has carried the team in about half or more of the game. Some where wins, some where losses but he has gone down swinging and he gets big props for that. Cant say the whole season or the team because the defense has had games where it shined against weak passing games. Throw in the fact Grant has been about as consistent as Jello and the burden of scoring has been mostly on Rodgers.