Rodgers Is Carrying This Team

[Deputy Nutz]

I never got into this thread to argue the attribute of Favre compared to the attributes of Rodgers.

[sharpe1027]

I never got into this thread to argue the attribute of Favre compared to the attributes of Rodgers.

I originally thought that saying that the Packers lost their entire identity was a bit melodramatic and I said so. I guess we were in agreement afterall. My whole point was that Rodgers/Favre was not the main reason for the teams struggles.

[Merlin]

In response to the original Title: "NO". Wins are all that matters and I doubt Rodgers would take anyone thinking he was "carrying" a 5-7 team as a compliment...

[Partial]

Other teams had to game plan around Favre. Regardless of his age, Favre was still an opposing team's number one priority. Stop Favre, stop the Packers offense.

What about the running game? You mention special teams and defense, but what about the fact that our running game is just an added bonus when it is working. Nothing to rely on.

By the way, thanks for taking one sentence in my whole post and blow it out of proportion. Really can't say anything around here anymore without it flaming up the entire thread.

Favre likely helped the running game. When Rodgers is throwing as much as he is, he is also likely helping the running game. We can get into a pissing match about who helps out more, but this year's problem begins and ends with the Defense, IMO.

I was disagreeing with one of your statements and wanted to discuss it. I don't find it very overly useful to write a lot of posts that just say, yeah I agree with you. I apologize if that comes across in a negative way. I thought the rest of your post made sense. Can we kiss and makeup now?

Not really. We're sitting at 7-5 if we had any form of offense against either Minnesota or Tennessee. How quickly we forget.

One could also make a compelling case that if the offense did not falter so poorly in the end of the Tampa game we'd be riding high at 8-4.

[The Leaper]

Rodgers has rarely stepped up in a big moment and delivered this season. Of course, he's a first year starter...so I don't expect it from him. However, that is ultimately the difference between Rodgers and Favre...and it is a massive difference indeed.

Favre had an MVP caliber season in 2007. Rodgers is not having an MVP caliber season in 2008, although it is a very good one and hopefully he will only go up from here.

[Pugger]

Yesterday AR started slowly but he got better as the game went along. And in the second half he brought the team back and took the lead only to watch the ST give Carolina great field position and the D to let that lead slip away. I think the team earlier this season was trying to find its identity after BF was traded but it appears the fellas are rallying around Rodgers. But at this point in his career AR can't carry a team on his sore shoulders. But I think he'll only get better and next season is gonna be fun - IF TT can fix our defense over the offseason.

[arcilite]

Rodgers has rarely stepped up in a big moment and delivered this season. Of course, he's a first year starter...so I don't expect it from him. However, that is ultimately the difference between Rodgers and Favre...and it is a massive difference indeed.

Favre had an MVP caliber season in 2007. Rodgers is not having an MVP caliber season in 2008, although it is a very good one and hopefully he will only go up from here.

I guess this is where we have different opinions. Rodgers HAS Stepped up and delivered, his supporting cast has not. That is the difference between 2007 and 2008.

[bobblehead]

Well, the proof is in the pudding. Numerous players in their time in GB, and now numerous Jets have said that with BF around they want to play better and harder. They don't want to let the man down.

We haven't heard anything of the sort since he left. In fact, its quite apparent watching the team that the effort just isn't their. Gone are last years gang tackles, high fives, and desire to be the best.

So, you tell me. Did everyone fall off over night? Or did they stop playing as hard?

Now, for the subject at hand, that is a load of bull that Aaron is carrying the team. Yesterday he did, I will agree, but that was the first and only time this year. He has been middle of the road at best the rest of the year. I really don't care how many touchdowns he has, because that is a biproduct of teams not respecting our goal line running game.

So far, he has had 6 good games, and we've won 5 of them. He's had 5 games where I felt the loss fell on his shoulders, and then there were two where he was not really a factor either way.

Currently we are dead last in the NFL in 3rd down and long situations. Consequently, this is what we're in most of the time due to the defense bringing up 8 guys since they don't respect A-Rod. Is this carrying a team on your shoulders? You tell me.

Yesterday was the first time Rodgers used all his weapons effectively and used the middle of the field. Whether this is a biproduct of MM opening up the offense, or Rodgers finally feeling comfortable, I know not. If he continues to play like yesterday, then yes, he will be capable of carrying a team on his shoulders.

So did you see the part where we have the best red zone offense in the NFL this year? I guess those guys thought BF was lining up.

I try to stay reasonable and rational about all of this and I understand that peoples manlove for favre makes them say stupid things but FUCK. Trust me when I tell you this...NOT ONE PLAYER ON OUR DEFENSE IS MAILING IT IN BECAUSE BF ISN'T AROUND.

[bobblehead]

Prior to the start of this season, most in these forums argued that there would be no drop off in talent after replacing Favre with Rogers.

Nice strawman dickhead...I think you would be hard pressed to find more than TWO posters who expressed this point of view. I could point out more posters who blame TT for the failing economy because he traded BF.

Most of us have let this go, but I am so sick of this arguement I am resorting to flaming both sides from here on out. Anyone who is trying to say Rodgers is better than favre is basically trying to stir up shit, but anyone who wants to discount the year rodgers is having is pretty much brain dead.

[sharpe1027]

Not really. We're sitting at 7-5 if we had any form of offense against either Minnesota or Tennessee. How quickly we forget.

One could also make a compelling case that if the offense did not falter so poorly in the end of the Tampa game we'd be riding high at 8-4.

One could make the case for a lot of things, either way. The numbers for Rodgers and Favre are so close that I cannot come to the logical conclusion that Rodgers is the difference. Rodgers has played very well in other games and still lost.

Knock it off people. Rodgers is playing well. Favre is playing well. Get over it already. There are bigger fish to fry.

[pbmax]

Rodgers has rarely stepped up in a big moment and delivered this season. Of course, he's a first year starter...so I don't expect it from him. However, that is ultimately the difference between Rodgers and Favre...and it is a massive difference indeed.

Favre had an MVP caliber season in 2007. Rodgers is not having an MVP caliber season in 2008, although it is a very good one and hopefully he will only go up from here.

No it is not massive. In fact, whatever dropoff there has been in QB play has been lapped by the drop off in defensive and Special Team play. Remember the first 7 games of last year? If not for the Defense and Special Team play, we would not have had only one loss entering the Dallas game.

This year, as proof that scoring a Defensive or Special Team's touchdown is as much luck as skill, we have scored far more points, and played for worse, especially in ST coverage.

[Bretsky]

He's doing really well, but this thread will do nothing more than stir shit and make the people who miss and love Favre more pissed and more likely to want to stab back at Rodgers again and again.


None of this shit is fair to Favre who had a HOF career and doesn't deserve to be compared to a kid that has accomplished nothing yet. And the comparisons are made unfairly by not taking into accoutn circumstance (like the really, really good offense Rodgers inherited)

None of this shit is fair to Rodgers who's having a really good season and does not deserve the vitriol that comes at him from the Favre faithfull who want to compare him negatively against the HOF Favre without taking into account circumstance (like a horrible defensive line that is crumbling in the 4th quarter, only being 24 years old starting his first season and a really tough schedule)

Honestly, I'm sick of the comparisions. They're freaking useless and almost all of them have a stupid f'in agenda that in no way resembles a search for truth. More like a search for scapegoats or an attemt to belittle. That's it.

good post JH

[The Shadow]

Rodgers has done an excellent job under extremely trying conditions, and is one of the major reasons I have optimism for seasons ahead.

[cpk1994]

Rodgers has done an excellent job under extremely trying conditions, and is one of the major reasons I have optimism for seasons ahead.

I agree. However that optimism doesn't go over to the defense right now, more specifally the DL.

[SnakeLH2006]

Re: Rodgers Is Carrying This Team

Some interesting numbers I found, which hopefully can spark some discussion.

1) Rodgers, is tied for first in the NFL, with Brees and Warner, with 24 total touchdowns

2) Rodgers is on pace to have:

More passing yards

More rushing yards

More passing touchdowns

More rushing touchdowns

Less interceptions



Than the 07 Favre

3) His offense is putting up 27.2 ppg. More than all of Favre's offenses, save two seasons.


Pretty remarkable that a 24 year old 1st year starter is doing such big things right now. Shame the defense can't help him out.

First off I like Arod, but to compare the two is asinine. Sure, Carson Palmer is a first ballot HOF then right? Crazy good numbers, not so much for wins. How many winning seasons has he had with his sick QB rating........................1. I'm not one to compare those two, but there is one thing Brett has done consistently.................WIN.

Shut the hell up and realize we are 5-7. Get back to us when you do (and yea, those offensive pts. are skewed bigtime by D TD's.) I like ARod, but till he brings us a winner..I'm off that parade you just launched as a "winner" in the QB debacle. Pathetic thread indeed. Who cares about stats when we lose. Go hit up Stephon Marbury's blog or something. Jeez....