The slim chance remaining (playoffs)

[Rastak]

Well, hearing all the leaked evidence I really doubt they will be suspended for 4 games. In fact, the rumor is the players will file an injunction and a lawsuit if they are for the following reasons from leaked testimony:

1) The NFL found out sometime ago that StarCaps contained an FDA regulated drug that could not legally be in an over the counter product. The drug was not listed on the product for obvious reasons.

2) The NFL doctor who made this discovery reportedly told his collegues they should not mention this to the players association for fear other players may falsely claim they were taking this product if they tested positive. If the NFL knew this product contained an illegal and banned drug, they should have notified the players immediately. To withhold this information purposely, then attempt to prosecute them is laughable and would never hold up in a court of law.

3) The Saints players testified at least 25 players on their team also took StarCaps. I assume because it was found to be effective and "did not" contain any banned substances.

4) The NFL hotline, per a source, merely checks the labels for banned drugs and then informs the players.


Given these facts, I had a very hard time believing all these players will be suspended. They were not taking performance enhancing drugs and the NFL knew the product contained illegal substances yet never bothered to share this information. The NFL is opening a giant can of worms if they go forward with this, assuming the above is factual.

[The Leaper]

Green Bay has lost 7 of their last 10.

Green Bay is not going to win 4 in a row.

At least we can cheer for the Jets to make the Super Bowl to get us a nice fat draft pick.

[red]

so we have the 5th worst record in the nfc? good grief

thank god we play in a horrible division or else we could be 2-10 right now

[Harlan Huckleby]

thank god we play in a horrible division or else we could be 2-10 right now

come on, they aren't that bad. they outplayed a good Carolina team yesterday, Carolina was lucky to steal a win.

You do accidently make a good point though, the difference between 2-10 and, say, 8-4, really is not much at all.

[bobblehead]

We could run off 4. We have beaten most bad teams and lost to most good teams. If you look at te remaining 4 we could run it. I'm not confident in that, but hey, I gotta have hope.

We had a tough schedule this season, and a tough stretch in it in the middle. The vikings will be playing the Giants JV squad, so.....I see a Lions first victory this weekend

[Badgerinmaine]

Geez were one game better then the niners who fired their HC.

They fired Mike Nolan and 2-5; they've gone 2-3 under Mike Singletary and really should be 3-2.

[KYPack]

Geez were one game better then the niners who fired their HC.

They fired Mike Nolan and 2-5; they've gone 2-3 under Mike Singletary and really should be 3-2.

Then they would be tied with us!

Oh, the pain!!!

[Guiness]

Well, hearing all the leaked evidence I really doubt they will be suspended for 4 games. In fact, the rumor is the players will file an injunction and a lawsuit if they are for the following reasons from leaked testimony:
[snip]

I had not heard all of that, but then I haven't been following it that closely - there aren't any GB players involved, I don't think?

Interesting run down though, and a bit of a conspiracy theory there, that the NFL was hiding the fact they knew it contained banned substances...a better decision would've been to ask if anyone was taking it, give them a free pass, and then pass along the info.

As far as the Saints, if they actually thought it didn't contained banned substances, they're dumber than a bag of hammers. There are 10 000 friggen products on the market, and this ONE works better than all the others w/o containing any shite? I don't buy it. More likely, they knew it didn't claim to contain any banned substances, and knew when they got caught, they'd have a plausible story they could float.

For my money, it's up to the players to make sure what they are taking is keeping them clean. Olympic athletes don't get to claim 'the bottle said it was ok' and they've generally got a lot less resources to draw on than the average NFL flunkie.

assuming the above is factual.

With the multi-billion dollar circus these guys run, who the hell knows?

[Rastak]

As far as knowing what was in it......Guiness, it was sold over the counter and contained stuff that was not legal to be in there in the USA.


Would you assume it did? I sure wouldn't, even if it worked well.

[Guiness]

As far as knowing what was in it......Guiness, it was sold over the counter and contained stuff that was not legal to be in there in the USA.


Would you assume it did? I sure wouldn't, even if it worked well.

Would I? No, and it wouldn't much matter to me. If my $5mil/yr job depended on it, ya, I'd be concerned.

They probably wouldn't have guessed it contained stuff not legal...but likely knew there was a little more to it than what was claimed.

[red]

what if the guys knew it was in there, and knew they had a loop hole to get out of it?

theres a lot of pro players that are taking this stuff that i honestly have never heard of before, and frankly think it sounds like a joke product. maybe the guys at starcaps told the players what was really in it, and told them they can just play dumb if busted?

maybe thats why only a couple guys have sued at this point?

[Rastak]

what if the guys knew it was in there, and knew they had a loop hole to get out of it?

theres a lot of pro players that are taking this stuff that i honestly have never heard of before, and frankly think it sounds like a joke product. maybe the guys at starcaps told the players what was really in it, and told them they can just play dumb if busted?

maybe thats why only a couple guys have sued at this point?

Would you risk 25% of your salary hoping for a loophole? That isn't even remotely credible.

[red]

what if the guys knew it was in there, and knew they had a loop hole to get out of it?

theres a lot of pro players that are taking this stuff that i honestly have never heard of before, and frankly think it sounds like a joke product. maybe the guys at starcaps told the players what was really in it, and told them they can just play dumb if busted?

maybe thats why only a couple guys have sued at this point?

Would you risk 25% of your salary hoping for a loophole? That isn't even remotely credible.

i'm just saying. why take a worthless product and pay big bucks for it, if you didn't know it would give you something extra

i looked it up, i like i thought, it is a joke product. one site ranked it #151 on a list of diet pills.

then theres this review

http://www.slimmingpillsreview.com/starcaps/?gclid=CIabppmGoZcCFQ4NDQodrB_UZw

starcaps, has no ingredients that would help you lose weight, so why else would all these guys be taking it? the williams sure as hell haven't lost any weight

[MadtownPacker]

Would you risk 25% of your salary hoping for a loophole? That isn't even remotely credible.

Some dudes risk it just to smoke some greens so why wouldnt players risk it to improve their performances and in turn improving their paychecks.

I personally am pissed Jolly and Cole havent been taking this shit. Packers might be doing alot better if they where.

[denverYooper]

Olympic athletes don't get to claim 'the bottle said it was ok' and they've generally got a lot less resources to draw on than the average NFL flunkie.

Nope, they sure don't. Olympic athletes are responsible for everything they put in their bodies. They can choose to take supplements that aren't supposed to contain certain ingredients, but if those ingredients are in the supplements, the USOC's policy is immediate ban. An athlete can appeal their ban after it has started, but their chances of getting out by claiming that the manufacturer said something was ok are close to nil. The general stance is that if you're not 100% sure, you shouldn't put it in your body.

The NFL is a different universe than the Olympics wrt how they handle these cases--they investigate first, punish later. That's fine. It seems, though, the case seems to hinge on the fact that the "active ingredient" wasn't on the label. Ultimately the players should be responsible for what they take in.