NFL Suspends 6 for Starcaps

[HarveyWallbangers]

I must state that it very may well be that the Williams Wall were just unlucky and weren't trying to do anything wrong, but the rules are the rules and it is what it is.

[Patler]

If NCAA teams have to forfeit games over ineligible players than why not in the NFL with players who cheat by using illegal substances? It will never happen but think about the effect.

If the league imposed such a rule then the teams would test without mercy and stop steroid use by their players in its tracks, if they seriously wanted to.

If they did that, most teams would be 0-16!

[Rastak]

I must state that it very may well be that the Williams Wall were just unlucky and weren't trying to do anything wrong, but the rules are the rules and it is what it is.

I am surprised that the NFL, after finding an illegal substance in a supplement didn't bother to notify the FDA. I guess they feel it's someone else's business to protect the public. I'm not even talking about the players.

[sharpe1027]

I am surprised that the NFL, after finding an illegal substance in a supplement didn't bother to notify the FDA. I guess they feel it's someone else's business to protect the public. I'm not even talking about the players.

It doubt that is illegal. It is just banned by the NFL.

[sharpe1027]

Yes, the NFL and the players (I think specifically the Saints players who were initially mentioned) had already done this PR tango and everyone expected a court challenge if they were suspended.

I have a question for sharpe1027. You say "That was part of their excuse. Of course there are plenty of other diet drugs with the same (legit) ingredients. Those same dugs were offered by companies with proven track records..."

This seems to suggest that the players were intentionally avoiding the other products in order, presumably, to get that one particular brand and its unlabeled substance. I haven't read that anywhere, do you have a source for this contention?

No source, it just make sense. Why would all of these players be taking this dietary substance when they were warned about diet pills specifically, and when the company that provided it did not have good credentials? If they did do it intentionally, they planned to lie about it all along and there would be no source.

This is how I would do it. I would take my steroids and the masking agent. I would also purchase this diet pill because it is mislabeled. I would try to keep my levels of each low enough to maybe not get caught, and/or only take the roids periodically hoping to avoid testing at the wrong time. If I get caught and shazam! I have a plausible defense.

Whether or not this happened, the NFL has to institute a policy that isn't that simple to get around.

[Rastak]

I am surprised that the NFL, after finding an illegal substance in a supplement didn't bother to notify the FDA. I guess they feel it's someone else's business to protect the public. I'm not even talking about the players.

It doubt that is illegal. It is just banned by the NFL.

You are wrong there. It's an FDA regulated drug, why do you think the manufacturer closed up shop when this went public? You can't put FDA regulated drugs in over the counter supplements.

[red]

i think players that file appeals should have to serve double the time if the initial ruling is upheald

take the vikings players fir instance. if they hadn't appealed this then they might not be in first right now, they might even be a game or 2 behind the bears. they have gained because of this appeal. now they are trying to take this thing to court so they can push this back even farther. this would also benefit the teams involved greatly

i think there should be something in place so guys can't pull this sort of stunt. if they appeal and the decision is upheald, then the suspension should be doubled

IMO

i think koren robinson got away with this two a couple years ago, and we benefited from it. a bit

[RashanGary]

I knew this was coming. It was black and white. They have a list of trusted supplements. Players are told if they take anything not on the trusted list that they are doing it at their own risk (whether the ingredients say so or not, the NFL says it's not trusted). Star caps isn't on the trusted list. These players took star caps. Star caps screwed them over but it was not on the list of trusted meds so the NFL has no mercy.

Done deal. I could see how a jury of average retards could misconstrue a black and white case, but this isn't a jury of retards. This is a team of lawyers interpereting very binding language as it was written. Case closed.


In the future if it's not on the list, don't take it you fuckin idiots. That's what it says in the contract. That's what it always has said and now you know that if it's not on the trusted list it can't be trusted because obviously the NFL just saying it wasn't enough for you idiots. This is a good example case. It needed to happen so players got the point.

[sheepshead]

Start printing those 2008 NFC North Division Champ hats in green and gold!!

[Rastak]

I knew this was coming. It was black and white. They have a list of trusted supplements. Players are told if they take anything not on the trusted list that they are doing it at their own risk (whether the ingredients say so or not, the NFL says it's not trusted). Star caps isn't on the trusted list. These players took star caps. Star caps screwed them over but it was not on the list of trusted meds so the NFL has no mercy.

Done deal. I could see how a jury of average retards could misconstrue a black and white case, but this isn't a jury of retards. This is a team of lawyers interpereting very binding language as it was written. Case closed.


In the future if it's not on the list, don't take it you fuckin idiots. That's what it says in the contract. That's what it always has said and now you know that if it's not on the trusted list it can't be trusted because obviously the NFL just saying it wasn't enough for you idiots.

Perhaps you could explain why Grady Jackson didn't get suspended as they wait for "additional information"? Does that sounds real black and white to you?

[Partial]

Its bullshit that these guys got suspended.

[RashanGary]

Maybe Grady never admitted to taking star caps like the rest of them. Maybe he said he took only permitted drugs and is getting off on the possiblity that he was poisoned at star bucks.

These guys admitted to taking a drug that was not on the trusted list and it turned out the non-trusted drug couldn't be trusted (go figure). Done deal.

I'm sure Grady's situation is a little different (in testimony). It's too bad because if he's claiming 100% ignorance, maybe it set a precident for how to get out of this type of situation. Regardless, these guys deserve this. If it was Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings I would say the same thing. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Black and white.

[Rastak]

Maybe Grady never admitted to taking star caps like the rest of them. Maybe he said he took only permitted drugs and is getting off on the possiblity that he was poisoned at star bucks.

These guys admitted to taking a drug that was not on the trusted list and it turned out the non-trusted drug couldn't be trusted (go figure). Done deal.

I'm sure Grady's situation is a little different. It's too bad because if he's claiming 100% ignorance, maybe it set a precident for how to get out of this type of situation. Regardless, these guys deserve this. If it was Aaron Rodgers and Greg Jennings I would say the same thing. Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Black and white.

Huh? He had his hearing. Doesn't black and white mean since he tested positive he's guilty? Apparently it isn't as black and white as you think.

By the way, I know I sound like a homer defending his guys because it'll hurt the team but based on the leaked players side it sounded like they really got the shaft with the NFL purposely withholding information. Reading the NFL side they raise some good points too so now I'm NOT 100% sure.

I do think if the NFL really knew and on purpose didn't list it that's kinda bullshit.


edit: Typo, I meant NOT 100% sure.

[RashanGary]

Huh? He had his hearing. Doesn't black and white mean since he tested positive he's guilty? Apparently it isn't as black and white as you think.
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With the rule written as it was and these players claiming they took starcaps (and starcaps decieved them) that it was black and white. You take a suppliment off the list and it burns you, that is all on you. That was the way the rule was written, clear as day.

However, there is always the outside chance the Olive Garden is putting star caps in their bread and fat Grady claims it got there by the Olive Garden bread or his drinking water would make it a little less clear. That situation would mean he did not stray from the list (breaking the rule by taking a suppliment before checking if it was on the trusted list), but was the victim of a poisoning that could not have been reasonably prevented (reasonable and demanded as in just checking the nFL's list per the rules guidlines). In this case, Grady did not go against the suppliment rule, but rather was poised in a way that had nothing to do with suppliments he should not have been taking.

[Rastak]

Huh? He had his hearing. Doesn't black and white mean since he tested positive he's guilty? Apparently it isn't as black and white as you think.
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With the rule written as it was and these players claiming they took starcaps (and starcaps decieved them) that it was black and white. You take a suppliment off the list and it burns you, that is all on you. That was the way the rule was written, clear as day.

However, there is always the outside chance the Olive Garden is putting star caps in their bread and fat Grady claims it got there by the Olive Garden bread or his drinking water would make it a little less clear. That situation would mean he did not stray from the list (breaking the rule by taking a suppliment before checking if it was on the trusted list), but was the victim of an unpreventable poisoning that had nothing to do with taking an untrusted supplement (making it outside the language of the rule as it was written). It's obviously a lie, but a good lie can sometimes get you out of a bad spot.

Ok, you admit it isn't black and white.....LOL....

By the way, what I read about the hotline is pretty interesting. I think a few more facts will come out in court they may convince people to sway their opinion. I may very well side with the NFL depending on the real facts. Up to now all I get is leaked testimony.