Official Texans vs Packers Gameday Thread

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Re: Difference

Facts don't lie, NFC championship to missing the play-offs. Argue all ya want, but deep down we all know what is different this season.........

It's a universally accepted fact that the Packers' record wasn't indicative of their skill level last year. They weren't a 13-3 team, plain and simple.

And the difference is our defense is worse.

OK, that is crazy talk... We were 13-3. There isn't any disputing that. Universally accepted... that would mean everyone in the universe agrees. I do not. Therefore, by a direct proof, it is NOT universally accepted.

We went to over time in the NFC championship game against the team that went on to physically dominate the Patriots. We played them closer then NE did. We were the second best team when all is said and done.

We're cursed. It's plain and simple.

Oh God, if I took everything you said literally.....

We were 13-3. We also had zero injuries. We also had every close game go our way. Philly, San Diego, Washington, Minnesota, Denver, KC. Yes, a lot of those games were won on talent (some of them to due to Favre) but the fact is last year we didn't lose a game by any less than 7 points. All the close games we won. It's gone in reverse this year.

We aren't as bad as we seem this year and we weren't as good as we seemed last year.

Don't fabricate the facts.. We had injuries. Harris had a bad back all year. KGB missed a good chunk of the year. Woodson missed a few games. Grant was hurt. Clifton missed a game. Favre had a bad wing for awhile. Blackmon was hurt all year. Jennings was hobbled to start the year.

We won in Philly with defense. Favre led the team down the field and actually scored to win the game against SD. Seems so long since that has happened. Washington our D came up with some big plays and Favre made some errors. I'll give you that one. Denver, we came up with a big offensive play to win the game. In the KC game, Brett had a bomb to Jennings for the go ahead score with 3 minutes left in the 4th.

The 4 games you listed, they had 3 phenomenal offensive performances to bring the team back and win the game. I'm not sure what your point is. What this points to is the difference between last year and this year with pretty similiar talent at the skill positions.

We haven't beat a team over .500 this year. That is a cold hard fact and shows how mediocre we are.

[channtheman]

Re: Difference

Facts don't lie, NFC championship to missing the play-offs. Argue all ya want, but deep down we all know what is different this season.........

It's a universally accepted fact that the Packers' record wasn't indicative of their skill level last year. They weren't a 13-3 team, plain and simple.

And the difference is our defense is worse.

OK, that is crazy talk... We were 13-3. There isn't any disputing that. Universally accepted... that would mean everyone in the universe agrees. I do not. Therefore, by a direct proof, it is NOT universally accepted.

We went to over time in the NFC championship game against the team that went on to physically dominate the Patriots. We played them closer then NE did. We were the second best team when all is said and done.

We're cursed. It's plain and simple.

Oh God, if I took everything you said literally.....

We were 13-3. We also had zero injuries. We also had every close game go our way. Philly, San Diego, Washington, Minnesota, Denver, KC. Yes, a lot of those games were won on talent (some of them to due to Favre) but the fact is last year we didn't lose a game by any less than 7 points. All the close games we won. It's gone in reverse this year.

We aren't as bad as we seem this year and we weren't as good as we seemed last year.

Don't fabricate the facts.. We had injuries. Harris had a bad back all year. KGB missed a good chunk of the year. Woodson missed a few games. Grant was hurt. Clifton missed a game. Favre had a bad wing for awhile. Blackmon was hurt all year. Jennings was hobbled to start the year.

We won in Philly with defense. Favre led the team down the field and actually scored to win the game against SD. Seems so long since that has happened. Washington our D came up with some big plays and Favre made some errors. I'll give you that one. Denver, we came up with a big offensive play to win the game. In the KC game, Brett had a bomb to Jennings for the go ahead score with 3 minutes left in the 4th.

The 4 games you listed, they had 3 phenomenal offensive performances to bring the team back and win the game. I'm not sure what your point is. What this points to is the difference between last year and this year with pretty similiar talent at the skill positions.

We haven't beat a team over .500 this year. That is a cold hard fact and shows how mediocre we are.

Partial, part of the difference (and I am in no way cutting anyone slack this year) is that Rodgers has taken his team down for the go ahead score with 3 minutes left in a game this year. For example last week against Carolina. If our defense sucked this much last year, KC would have come right back to score and win that game.

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He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

[Gunakor]

He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

You are missing the point P. He got them there once, then the defense failed. I can understand it happening from time to time, and asking your QB for a miracle. But every week? Disgusting. He shouldn't be asked to do it again and again every single week. For once I'd like to see Rodgers lead his team to a tying or winning drive late in the game and the defense protects the tie or lead Rodgers gave them. Rodgers shouldn't have to bear that kind of a burden week after week. He should have a defense that wants to win as badly as he does...

[MOBB DEEP]

Re: Difference

Facts don't lie, NFC championship to missing the play-offs. Argue all ya want, but deep down we all know what is different this season.........

It's a universally accepted fact that the Packers' record wasn't indicative of their skill level last year. They weren't a 13-3 team, plain and simple.

And the difference is our defense is worse.

OK, that is crazy talk... We were 13-3. There isn't any disputing that. Universally accepted... that would mean everyone in the universe agrees. I do not. Therefore, by a direct proof, it is NOT universally accepted.

We went to over time in the NFC championship game against the team that went on to physically dominate the Patriots. We played them closer then NE did. We were the second best team when all is said and done.

We're cursed. It's plain and simple.

i'd say we were third best behind pats too

cursed - lol, or "karma?"

[Joemailman]

He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

You mentioned the SD game from last year. Favre hit Jennings for the go ahead TD. On the next series, Barnett intercepted Rivers to ice the game. The big defensive play at crunch time is what's not happening this year.

[channtheman]

He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

You are missing the point P. He got them there once, then the defense failed. I can understand it happening from time to time, and asking your QB for a miracle. But every week? Disgusting. He shouldn't be asked to do it again and again every single week. For once I'd like to see Rodgers lead his team to a tying or winning drive late in the game and the defense protects the tie or lead Rodgers gave them. Rodgers shouldn't have to bear that kind of a burden week after week. He should have a defense that wants to win as badly as he does...

I was trying to figure out how to say that, and you said it better than I could have said it.

Obviously Partial, we have differing views on this and they likely won't change. However, to expect Rodgers to play flawless football to win games is beyond many QB's. The year Favre won the Super Bowl, he had a fantastic defense with Reggie White lifting up the whole team around him.

Basically, while Rodgers isn't without fault, if you put even a functional defense (not even a good defense) on the other side of the ball I think we have 2 more wins (last 2 weeks).

[channtheman]

He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

You mentioned the SD game from last year. Favre hit Jennings for the go ahead TD. On the next series, Barnett intercepted Rivers to ice the game. The big defensive play at crunch time is what's not happening this year.

Good point.

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All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

[channtheman]

All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

Let's agree to disagree. This will never go anywhere.

[gbgary]

All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

i agree. the D may have sucked but the O sucked more.

[BallHawk]

He got them there once, then when asked to do it again, he threw a pick.

You mentioned the SD game from last year. Favre hit Jennings for the go ahead TD. On the next series, Barnett intercepted Rivers to ice the game. The big defensive play at crunch time is what's not happening this year.

And against the Chiefs Woodson had a INT return for a TD that sealed the deal.

Against Denver the defense had a key goal-line stand that held the Broncos to a FG instead of a TD, allowing the game to go to OT.

[Gunakor]

All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

Wrong. You can ask your defense to protect a lead too. The O gave the defense a chance to win the game too today Partial, and the defense didn't come through.

[cpk1994]

All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE LAST @ MINUTES OF THE GAME? THE DEFENSE BLEW IT!?! You have to be the most ignorant person I have ever seen and that is saying something.

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All you can ask of the defense is to give you the ball at the end of the game with an opportunity to win the game imo. The defense gave the O a chance to win today, and they didn't do it.

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE LAST @ MINUTES OF THE GAME? THE DEFENSE BLEW IT!?! You have to be the most ignorant person I have ever seen and that is saying something.

I will ask you one simple yes or no question:

Did the Packers not have the ball at on 1st down at the Texans 25 yard line, with ~2:00 to go in the 4th quarter?

I rest my case.