For a 1st year starter, Rodgers stats are pretty FN Good

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who cares how they are at 3rd and 2 or 3? They rarely get that! For the past several broadcasts, the announcers have stated how they are the worst in the league at 3rd and long. Whether that means 3rd and 5 or longer, I know not.

Of course, you don't know. You alsod don't really know if we rarely get 3rd and shorts. BTW, 3rd and 5 wouldn't be considered a 3rd and long situation. More likely, 3rd and 10 or longer.

[HarveyWallbangers]

You ever think that stat has very little to do with Rodgers, and more to do with Mike McCarthy getting conservative in those situations and 1) running the ball or 2) calling a screen or dumpoff? Especially early in the year.

[Partial]

You ever think that stat has very little to do with Rodgers, and more to do with Mike McCarthy getting conservative in those situations and 1) running the ball or 2) calling a screen or dumpoff? Especially early in the year.

Absolutely.

[Cheesehead Craig]

I think ARod is having a very good first year. Sure he's got some things to work on. Seeing all the field is the biggest one, but that will come with experience. Very happy with him.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I knew that comment would ruffle some feathers, I threw it out there to see a reaction. I figured his stats were very comparable to Peyton's first year, thanks for posting them. I remember seeing Peyton in his first year and knowing he would be a good quarterback, I see the same thing in Rodgers, even if the "it" isn't there yet.

[channtheman]

When the defense gets better it will make the offense look better by giving them more chances and putting them in more favorable situations. Rodgers is also starting his first year and is very young.

true but when the o gets better and can put long drives together, rather than trying to win with big plays, the d won't get over-worked and taken advantage of.

Did you watch the NO game? You know where the Packers went on 8 minute drives and the defense would come in and give up a 1 or 2 play drive? Or even just the Houston game where on the opening possession the defense gave up a 3 play drive? Yeah you're right though, the offense probably wasn't out there long enough and the defense was tired.

[Partial]

There's something to be said for "setting the tone".

A good offense makes it easier for a defender to play the game to the best of their ability and stay out of their head.

[Kiwon]

A-Rod has had an up-and-down year but my guess is that he's done better than what most people expected. Certainly he's physically tougher than advertised.

At least there should be fewer guys in Jets #4 jerseys in the crowd.

Most impressively has been his handling of the mess that the team handed him in the Brett Farve dispute. I don't think someone in his position could have done any better.

[Patler]

That's just crazy talk. Sure, statistically he is better, but look at the talent that Manning team had? Manning was a 1st overall pick because his team stunk.

Ya, one has to wonder how Manning did it as a rookie. He completed 59 passes his rookie year to some slug named Marvin Harrison, and another 86 to a hack named Marshall Faulk. Whatever became of those guys? One of his tight ends that year (Dilger) only made one Pro Bowl in his 10 year career (how good can he have been?) and the other tight end (Marcus Pollard) only lasted 13 years in the NFL, yet somehow Manning was able to connect with them 55 times his rookie season. Other receivers? Jerome Pathon, Torrance Small. Full backs protecting Manning? Craig "Ironhead" Heyward and a guy whose career was done after just 13 seasons (Zach Crockett). All those guys were in Indy several years before Manning arrived.

One has to wonder how Manning ever managed to complete a pass as a rookie, especially with only two potential future HOF'ers to throw to 145 times! (How much better would Rodgers be with the likes of Marshall Faulk to dump the ball off to 86 times rather than Jackson or Grant????)

Truth be told, Indy's defense was pretty miserable in most of the early Manning years, but a lot of pretty good offensive pieces were there several years before Manning arrived. They just didn't have much of a QB in Harbaugh.

[SkinBasket]

That third down stat is inaccurate. The Packers are the worst team in the NFL in 3rd and long.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Houston get their 1st 1st down of the season in a 3rd and 9 or 3rd and 10 situation against the Packers, making them 1 for 30 on the year in that category?

[pack4to84]

He's doing better than Peyton Manning was his rookie year, though he has a much better team. Just figured I'd throw that in since im the local Tennessee homer.

He is actually comparable to him this years stats wise.
Rodgers 63.6% 22TD 11 INT 3192yrds 7.4 avg 92.1 rating

Manning 64.4% 22TD 12 INT 3225yrds 6.8 avg 88.8 rating

some people are miss informed from my post. This is this year stats

Manning rookie year stats
56.7% 26TD 28 INT 3739 yrds 71.2 rating

[Gunakor]

Warner, Romo and Brees will likely represent the NFC in Hawaii this year. Rodgers will likely be the alternate. He's 4th in the NFC in yards, tied with Romo for 3rd in TD's, 4th in completion percentage, and 5th in QB rating - just shy of the Bucs' Garcia. He's tied for 8th best with 11 INT's, but each QB I named as being the Pro Bowl representatives have thrown more. He's been one of the best in the NFL on 3rd down - that last game is a rare exception for this team this season. He leads the best red zone offense in the league.

Yeah, I'd say he's pretty good.

That third down stat is inaccurate. The Packers are the worst team in the NFL in 3rd and long.

It is not wrong. The topic of this thread isn't how good the Packers are on 3rd and long, it's about Rodgers specifically. And when I say Rodgers is one of the best on 3rd down, I am including ALL 3rd downs, not just 3rd and long. Furthermore, to asses the QB on 3rd down, you have to throw out all the times MM ran the ball on 3rd down. Remember now that on 3rd and long MM goes really conservative with the playcalling, and if you are always going conservative on 3rd and long you aren't going to pick up a ton of first downs. Rodgers doesn't call the plays, he just relays MM's playcall to the guys in the huddle.

If a screen play is called, Rodgers throws the screen and gains as many yards as the screen gains. If they don't pick up the first down, how can you blame that on Rodgers? He did his job getting the ball to the back running the screen. His job is over as soon as he gets rid of the ball, the rest is on the RB and the OL blocking for him. Whether they get the first down or not, Rodgers gets credit for a completed pass and yards gained. That all factors into his QB rating positively. If I'm not mistaken, Rodgers has a QB rating of nearly 100 on 3rd down, which is near the top of the league. So no, it's not wrong. Rodgers is one of the best QB's in the league on 3rd down.

[Packgator]

As for A-Rod, he's playing average right now.

His stats and rankings say otherwise. At least above average and in some categories top tier.

Completion percentage: 63.6 (11th)

Yards: 3,192 (6th)

Ave. yds. per completion: 7.4 (10th)

TD's: 22 (5th)

Completions of 20 yds. or more: 39 (6th)

Completions of 40 yds. or more: 12 (2nd)

Passer rating: 92.1 (8th)

[Merlin]

Rodgers has shown he has some talent, he has also shown he has some severe weaknesses and some tendencies that have remained since he got to Green Bay. He has done an admirable job leading this team and I think he has the potential to become a great QB, but as a lot of people said, that isn't a given. He is in his 4th season so don't compare him to a rookie. He has had years to improve, study, etc. If he stays healthy he will be at the very least average, the rest is up to him. The play calling has taken a serious dive. We used to live and die by the slant pass, you don't see much of that. I am not sure if that's something the QB has to call or not but prior to this season we sure had a lot more slants and hot reads then we do this season. When we do run a slant it's something you definitely notice because they are no where near as crisp as last season. Right now the success of the Packers is mired in the special teams and defense. The offense however has done little to pull games out, that I believe will change with time.

[POLISHHAWK]

For God sakes; what the hell did Rodger's ever do to some of you guys? I love how everyone talked about Jennings' first year and how great he was going to be, but with Rodgers it's every critic coming out of the woodwork.

Guys can either play or they can't... Get over the fact that Rodgers CAN PLAY and IS GOOD!

I wish these critical folk were just as critical when Favre BLEW ALOT of games for Green Bay... short memory? How bout a game last January in Lambeau. I believe he is about 50/50 in 4th quarter comebacks and 4th quarter game giveaways. Love how ESPN talks about how great he is coming back in the 4th... the last 10 years I've seen him NOT be able to do it about 85% of the time (usually with an INT to end the game).